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Angelo Roncalli
01-22-2013, 08:42 PM
Reading the Louisville board nights makes me wonder if a bunch of our posters moved to Kentucky and changed their board names?

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=17&f=2755&t=11206219

Zag79
01-22-2013, 10:27 PM
I think more importantly, that's what these boards are for. If everyone said the coach is perfect regardless of outcome and we all agreed on everything, the board wouldn't have a purpose. Seems to me people should appreciate the differences we have when watching sports, and be open to discussing it on a site that "supports" basketball conversation. Minus the attacks on players, coaches, and posters its all usually solid basketball x's and o's banter on here. Who says all the craziness is a bad thing? ;)

Oregonzagnut
01-23-2013, 12:23 AM
This board is like our team. 17-2. 17 good posts for about 2 bad ones. I'm not going to judge our team by the 2 losses. I know one thing for sure, people who don't care about the Zags don't post here. So I trust each member is a pretty loyal fan. If anything we are guilty of caring far more than the average fan.

I guess I'm guilty.

ZagaZags
01-23-2013, 12:43 AM
The fans are going to roast the coach and players. That is what sports have come to. Rick Pitino is one of the best in the NCAA. Win every game or we want you head on a stick.

DixieZag
01-23-2013, 04:40 AM
I have often wondered if one went on any top 20 board in the country whether they would find the same things discussed here.

I imagine a lot of teams say they can't defend the 3 b/c we all have vivid memories of getting torched by a team whereas normal games come and go - - every team has a player that is struggling, every team questions coaching decisions. . . blah blah blah.

I suspect that I am on to something. . . my bro, an SCU alum has said that he has never seen more whining from fans of 2 loss team (and he is a UTexas alum from grad school! - serious about them horns).

bartruff1
01-23-2013, 04:53 AM
Your brother is smart !!!

Chicken Ball
01-23-2013, 04:59 AM
THe main reason I come here, other than for news about the team and recruiting, is for the analysis of our wins and losses, which is often more insightful coming from our posters here than from most of the media. That includes analysis of losses. I enjoy reading people's thoughts on why we win or why we lose. Sometimes the analysis of losses bleeds over into acrimony, but this board is better than most at avoiding that. On the other hand, some posters are too quick to confuse analysis for mean spirited criticism.

GoZags
01-23-2013, 06:58 AM
I have often wondered if one went on any top 20 board in the country whether they would find the same things discussed here.

I imagine a lot of teams say they can't defend the 3 b/c we all have vivid memories of getting torched by a team whereas normal games come and go - - every team has a player that is struggling, every team questions coaching decisions. . . blah blah blah.

I suspect that I am on to something. . . my bro, an SCU alum has said that he has never seen more whining from fans of 2 loss team (and he is a UTexas alum from grad school! - serious about them horns).

I guess part of me would like to think Gonzaga is just a little different than most of the traditional Top 20 Programs. I guess in some ways, GU is. In other ways ..... it's "me too".

Regardless, I'm appreciating and enjoying this season of Gonzaga Basketball (particularly since '13 is the 40th Anniversary of my arrival on Campus as a Freshman). BTW, I've appreciated and enjoyed the other 39 seasons that I've followed as well.

rennis
01-23-2013, 07:08 AM
Message boards bring out the worst in people. It's just nature.

I find most posts here to be thoughtful and sincere, even if the post is uninformed or assumptive. As far as the internet goes, that's about as good as it gets.

Martin Centre Mad Man
01-23-2013, 08:25 AM
I had the pleasure of listening to a Louisville sports radio station's "fan meltdown" three days after Matt Santangelo and Axel Dench knocked them out of the NCAAs in 2000. That is a seriously frantic fan base. Caller after caller was asking for Denny Crum's head. They complained that he was too old. They complained that the young guy from Gonzaga completely outcoached him. They complained that he couldn't get top-tier recruits that could compete. They complained that his kids weren't motivated. They complained that he'd lost his love of the game, etc.

The tone of the calls then shifted to outrage at the selection committee for making Louisville play a team as good as Gonzaga in the first round. Comments essentially implied that Gonzaga was better than Louisville, so they should have been seeded quite a bit higher and Louisville should have drawn an easier first round opponent. They were all quite certain that Louisville was as good as their Top-25 ranking and equally certain that Gonzaga was better. They were mad that their Top-25 team drew a seven seed and equally mad that Gonzaga was a ten. By that point, Gonzaga had also downed second-seeded St. John's, so they were all pretty sure that Gonzaga should have been a four or five seed.

I caught that radio station driving on I-90 through upstate New York. I have no idea how it tuned in to that location, but I was able to listen to those calls for about 45 minutes. It was quite surreal.

bartruff1
01-23-2013, 08:28 AM
Message boards bring out the worst in people. It's just nature.

I find most posts here to be thoughtful and sincere, even if the post is uninformed or assumptive. As far as the internet goes, that's about as good as it gets.....I am going to take that advice....thanks for your insight...

Zag79
01-23-2013, 08:33 AM
I have often wondered if one went on any top 20 board in the country whether they would find the same things discussed here.

I imagine a lot of teams say they can't defend the 3 b/c we all have vivid memories of getting torched by a team whereas normal games come and go - - every team has a player that is struggling, every team questions coaching decisions. . . blah blah blah.

I suspect that I am on to something. . . my bro, an SCU alum has said that he has never seen more whining from fans of 2 loss team (and he is a UTexas alum from grad school! - serious about them horns).

Very true, most message boards are the same with the exception of the issues discussed. Each is tailored to that specific team, its fans, players, pros and cons. I wouldn't say we have too many "whiny" posters, but then again what some deem whiny others may not.

I would say we have some overly sensetive posters, as well as a few crazies who are over the top (player and coach bashers). For the most part this is a great place to talk hoops, the moderators do a great job keeping it that way.

CDC84
01-23-2013, 08:42 AM
That was a bad loss last night for Louisville. Villanova isn't good at all this year.

Zag79
01-23-2013, 08:55 AM
That was a bad loss last night for Louisville. Villanova isn't good at all this year.

Terrible loss... but 17 to's, 12-24 from the stripe, and sub 40% shooting will do that to you especially on the road. Ugly!

rennis
01-23-2013, 11:15 AM
Amazing considering how bad they made a pretty talented UConn team look in the 2nd half last Monday.

HillBillyZag
01-23-2013, 11:48 AM
It's called "entitlement". Fan's at UK, UL, NC, KU, & Duke all seem to feel that their particular group of " burger boys", one & dones" and " sure fire first rounders" musst surely claim the Crown! The rest of us are mere "cannon fodder"!

tobizag
01-23-2013, 03:49 PM
It's called "entitlement". Fan's at UK, UL, NC, KU, & Duke all seem to feel that their particular group of " burger boys", one & dones" and " sure fire first rounders" musst surely claim the Crown! The rest of us are mere "cannon fodder"!

do gonzaga fans not display entitlement when compared to the rest of wcc? when we talk about players at gonzaga being "different" than all the other D1 programs? how we brag about our character and our glue guys?

UKWildcatsFan
01-23-2013, 03:59 PM
It's called "entitlement". Fan's at UK, UL, NC, KU, & Duke all seem to feel that their particular group of " burger boys", one & dones" and " sure fire first rounders" musst surely claim the Crown! The rest of us are mere "cannon fodder"!

Given that you just named four of the last five national champions I'm not surprised that fans of these teams think they can win the championship.

bartruff1
01-23-2013, 04:02 PM
The Duke board must be interesting right now....

UKWildcatsFan
01-23-2013, 04:03 PM
The Duke board must be interesting right now....

After Duke lost to Lehigh in the first round last year I went to a Duke forum and they had actually shut it down for the night.

bartruff1
01-23-2013, 04:17 PM
After Duke lost to Lehigh in the first round last year I went to a Duke forum and they had actually shut it down for the night. LOL....really....well, it was a terrible disappointment...

Those teams as you point out, have a reason to feel entitled or at least to have a reasonable expectation .... I know I don't feel entitled.

I think that Duke team had 5 !!!! first round picks and one that didn't come out...

I doubt Gonzaga has had 5 first round picks in it's entire history...

UKWildcatsFan
01-23-2013, 04:24 PM
LOL....really....well, it was a terrible disappointment...

Those teams as you point out, have a reason to feel entitled or at least to have a reasonable expectation ....

I think that Duke team had 5 !!!! first round picks and one that didn't come out...

I doubt Gonzaga has had 5 first round picks in it's entire history...


That Duke team had two first round picks I believe..Nolan Smith and Miles Plumlee.

The only team with five first round draft picks was the 2009-10 Kentucky squad (Wall, Cousins, Patterson, Bledsoe, Orton).

jaydee77
01-23-2013, 04:24 PM
Seems the last couple years there are more self proclaimed basketball experts posting.

bartruff1
01-23-2013, 04:44 PM
That Duke team had two first round picks I believe..Nolan Smith and Miles Plumlee.

The only team with five first round draft picks was the 2009-10 Kentucky squad (Wall, Cousins, Patterson, Bledsoe, Orton). Old people forget... these must be tough times for Kentucky and North Carolina fans but I suspect they will improve a lot as the season progresses...

UKWildcatsFan
01-23-2013, 04:45 PM
Old people forget... these must be tough times for Kentucky and North Carolina fans but I suspect they will improve a lot as the season progresses...

It's not looking promising!

HillBillyZag
01-23-2013, 06:57 PM
U.K.Wildcatsfan. I lived in Radcliff for about eight years, so am familiar with "Blue Grass" hoops fans. Pitino was smart enough to always recruit at least three or four of the more skilled In-State players, and most paid dividends (Richie Farmer, etc.) With Cal's recruiting style?, I would bet that more local kids end up at Western or out of State? Am I'm correct?, and what do the local folks think about that?