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BobZag
11-18-2012, 09:44 AM
KHQ/RootNW
1510 KGA
1:00pm Tipoff

Biggest game of the year so far! Hang on!

ZagMan in Philly
11-18-2012, 09:48 AM
Zags laying 4 TDs + 1 FG

SweetOnionZag
11-18-2012, 09:53 AM
Rocky Mountain Root has borrowed the feed from it's sister network in Seattle. Live 2:00 PM (MST) today.

gu03alum
11-18-2012, 01:03 PM
Did the kennel club replace Zombie nation with Gangnum Style?

CaliforniaZaggin'
11-18-2012, 01:05 PM
Zags on one screen. Football on another. Fantasy football updatdes on my phone. Life doesn't suck right now.

gu03alum
11-18-2012, 01:06 PM
good d, ####ty outcome

CaliforniaZaggin'
11-18-2012, 01:07 PM
E seems very active early on. Not much to show for it though.

gu03alum
11-18-2012, 01:08 PM
Zags on one screen. Football on another. Fantasy football updatdes on my phone. Life doesn't suck right now.

I need more computer screens

gu03alum
11-18-2012, 01:09 PM
I like Elias finding the open man from the post.

gu03alum
11-18-2012, 01:10 PM
WTF, Banks are closed on sunday

DixieZag
11-18-2012, 01:11 PM
Defense has been outstanding

bartruff1
11-18-2012, 01:13 PM
Harris must have a half dozen rebounds already...

DixieZag
11-18-2012, 01:16 PM
Have no prob with Stocks/Dower getting quality minutes but I wonder if we aren't a little better served if we let the starting unit get into a flow

gu03alum
11-18-2012, 01:16 PM
did dickau just say Harris has 10 rebounds?

Baldwinzag
11-18-2012, 01:17 PM
Defense has been outstanding

they've had nearly perfect spacing, switching screens, and denying penetration in the paint...outside of some mistakes underneath, its possibly the best 3 game defensive stretch I've EVER seen from a Zag team.

Harris lookin' unstoppable today. A man amongst boys on the glass. tenacious. securing everything around him.

DixieZag
11-18-2012, 01:18 PM
Have no prob with Stocks/Dower getting quality minutes but I wonder if we aren't a little better served if we let the starting unit get into a flow

I meant Stocks/K . . .

Cooold shooting.

Incredible rebounding

whatazag
11-18-2012, 01:19 PM
So nice to see Dranginis with scoring mentality

RenoZag
11-18-2012, 01:19 PM
Dranginis will be fun to watch for years to come

DixieZag
11-18-2012, 01:25 PM
Dranginis will be fun to watch for years to come

Good point.

He is real crafty at getting through the lane

VinnyZag
11-18-2012, 01:29 PM
Karnowski runs better than any 7-1, 300-pound center I can ever remember watching.

Baldwinzag
11-18-2012, 01:30 PM
Kyle puts the A in Aggressive. wow.

scorers mentality if i've ever seen one.

yet kinda an odd lineup Few is going with the past few mins, the first this particular 5 has been together this season.

Experimenting, perhaps?

bartruff1
11-18-2012, 01:32 PM
Gary stylin with that drop shot..... he has taken it in every game...

DixieZag
11-18-2012, 01:35 PM
Good to see E with so much energy, playing such a complete game, leading with his effort

Baldwinzag
11-18-2012, 01:35 PM
with that dribble-drive move to the rim and improved ball-handling, Elias showing why he could log some mins at SF this season...

hooter73
11-18-2012, 01:36 PM
lmao at harris going coast to coast.

at the expense of giving up some early points, Im seeing them work on set plays, getting the ball to bell, inside drives... its a learning game. I like it.

DixieZag
11-18-2012, 01:39 PM
Good point re; bell

He might well be No 1 option in tough scoring, must have a basket time

VinnyZag
11-18-2012, 01:39 PM
I love that Few called that TO to make a point about a defensive screw up in a 20-point game.

Baldwinzag
11-18-2012, 01:40 PM
Pangos with the HARD fall. Ouch.

he looked a little shaken up and I don't blame him. Hope his wrist(s) are OK.

close call. :eek:

Sarenyon
11-18-2012, 01:41 PM
Harris is a rebounding machine. He even grabbed one that was easily in the hands of Karno.

DixieZag
11-18-2012, 01:41 PM
Pangos with the HARD fall. Ouch.

he looked a little shaken up and I don't blame him. Hope his wrist(s) are OK.

close call. :eek:

An injury to any of the first 8-9 players would be about the only way to "lose" on of these relatively easy early home games

hooter73
11-18-2012, 01:41 PM
Hes tough, plus in a game like this its a good one for Stocks, Drag, hell even Barham to get in some more minutes.

Baldwinzag
11-18-2012, 01:41 PM
He might well be No 1 option in tough scoring, must have a basket time

+1

yup, when our offense gets stagnant or we need a bucket, just iso-GBJ and let him create...

his new teardrop floater is an awesome move/shot he's developed in the off-season.

zaguarxj
11-18-2012, 01:42 PM
Draino comes in before Hart? Is this a changing of the guard?

VinnyZag
11-18-2012, 01:44 PM
Defensive intensity waned in the last few possessions.

DixieZag
11-18-2012, 01:45 PM
Stocks is soo good at drawing fouls that he simply HAS to get better at FT shooting, just brutal last year for a guy so fundamentally sound

jazzdelmar
11-18-2012, 01:47 PM
Hart losing mins to Dranginis. Stocks closing in on Pangos. Kinda odd. Meaningless game but still, a portent?

DixieZag
11-18-2012, 01:50 PM
Hart losing mins to Dranginis. Stocks closing in on Pangos. Kinda odd. Meaningless game but still, a portent?

I think that you are right on the first one - - though a reflection of Drang rising not Hart falling

Don't know about the second, this game more to do with So.Dak having small line up gunning from (I am guessing) but Pangos is still "the guy" in any real comptetivie situation. May be a little of Kevin not needing the seasoning as much as some of the others. . . just a guess on my part - - you could easily be right

Baldwinzag
11-18-2012, 01:51 PM
Stockton FT shooting woes are getting out of hand and something that needs to be shored up for him to be taken seriously as a lead guard.

he shot sub-60% last season.

this season, he's 1-5 FT.

Small sample size, yes, yet 20% after shooting 59% last season with 50 attempts is simply not good enough for someone who plays in crunch time, end of game scenarios, Tournament moments of any kind, and taking advantage of his ability to draw fouls.

Stocks does a very nice job of drawing contact and fouls as a smaller player, yet doesn't mean much if he can't knock down shots from charity stripe.

missing back-to-back FT's at the end of the half might not mean much vs South Dakota, yet what about at the Old Spice Classic?

If he can't hit FT's when he's the guy handling the ball, then he SHOULD NOT be in the game at the end of a half nor end of the game.

Baldwinzag
11-18-2012, 01:52 PM
Hart losing mins to Dranginis. Stocks closing in on Pangos. Kinda odd. Meaningless game but still, a portent?

fwiw, Stocks and Pangos have logged the same # of mins this season.

DixieZag
11-18-2012, 01:54 PM
Stockton FT shooting woes are getting out of hand and something that need to be shored up for him to be taken seriously as a lead guard.

he shot sub-60% last season.

this season, he's 1-5 FT.

Small sample size, yes, yet 20% after shooting 59% last season with 50 attempts is simply not good enough for someone who plays in crunch time, end of game scenarios, Tournament moments of any kind, and taking advantage of his ability to draw fouls.

Stocks does a very nice job of drawing contact and fouls as a smaller player, yet doesn't mean much if he can't knock down shots from charity stripe.

missing back-to-back FT's at the end of the half might not mean much vs South Dakota, yet what about at the Old Spice Classic?

If he can't hit FT's when he's the guy handling the ball, then he SHOULD NOT be in the game at the end of a half nor end of the game.

Agree, see my post above. Thing that drives me most crazy is that FTs are mostly form/concentration. He has no excuse for not working on form. . so good in all other areas, concentration - last year he was infamous for missing first and making second, very indicative of not concentrating on the first.

If he isn't willing to work on it. . . he should not see critical minutes

bartruff1
11-18-2012, 01:54 PM
I think that you are right on the first one - - though a reflection of Drang rising not Hart falling

Don't know about the second, this game more to do with So.Dak having small line up gunning from (I am guessing) but Pangos is still "the guy" in any real comptetivie situation. May be a little of Kevin not needing the seasoning as much as some of the others. . . just a guess on my part - - you could easily be right

Kevin is da MAN.... anyone with any doubt should only look at the full rich beard... I heard him on the radio the other day and I thought it was Harris...

jazzdelmar
11-18-2012, 01:55 PM
fwiw, Stocks and Pangos have logged the same # of mins this season.

Makes my point. One could infer they are equally skilled which they are clearly not.

hooter73
11-18-2012, 01:57 PM
Stocks getting minutes now against a certain level of competition. He just cant hold up to the athletic guards of the big name teams.

DixieZag
11-18-2012, 01:59 PM
OK, lets play a cleaner, big effort, quality shots second half.

Time to really prep for tournament this week

hooter73
11-18-2012, 01:59 PM
2nd half prediction: Karno and Dower on the floor at the same time. Im surprised we havent seen it more yet, wondering if that means KO will be playing a bit more at the 4 instead of a 5 like I thought.

CaliforniaZaggin'
11-18-2012, 02:03 PM
That was deep.

CaliforniaZaggin'
11-18-2012, 02:05 PM
In the NBA, he would get a "warning" from Stern for that flop.

jazzdelmar
11-18-2012, 02:08 PM
There's maybe your best five. KP, bell, Harris, Dranginis and prez.

jazzdelmar
11-18-2012, 02:09 PM
Stocks getting minutes now against a certain level of competition. He just cant hold up to the athletic guards of the big name teams.

Your mouth to Few's ears. :D

Baldwinzag
11-18-2012, 02:09 PM
Dranginis' game is so natural...comes pretty easy for him.

Nice poise on the court.

bartruff1
11-18-2012, 02:10 PM
Stocks getting minutes now against a certain level of competition. He just cant hold up to the athletic guards of the big name teams. If he has the same number of minutes as Pangos in the next three games, I will eat a bug....ugh...

DixieZag
11-18-2012, 02:14 PM
GBJr not getting as many minutes as I think he has earned.

Fewie is going to need to heavily rely upon him in close games

hooter73
11-18-2012, 02:16 PM
is it me or does Stockton really really like assisting to PK? :)

DixieZag
11-18-2012, 02:17 PM
is it me or does Stockton really really like assisting to PK? :)

Gives him more to relate to with the hall of fame father. PK may not be as big as Malone. . . yet but as close as Stocks will find in college

hooter73
11-18-2012, 02:17 PM
4 (easy) games in, no one should put much into minutes played yet. we know Harris, Bell and Pangos are ready, get the others up to speed.

jazzdelmar
11-18-2012, 02:17 PM
GBJr not getting as many minutes as I think he has earned.

Fewie is going to need to heavily rely upon him in close games

Today is the Elias Show. Bell ill get his. But Few's sub patterns are always vexing. Always seems to be holding back his best hand.

VinnyZag
11-18-2012, 02:18 PM
4 (easy) games in, no one should put much into minutes played yet. we know Harris, Bell and Pangos are ready, get the others up to speed.

Especially since all three games have been blowouts.

DixieZag
11-18-2012, 02:20 PM
All 3 above very good pts.

Quietly thinking I should delete that comment, but I am not in mid-season form yet either

CaliforniaZaggin'
11-18-2012, 02:20 PM
That's also deep.

CaliforniaZaggin'
11-18-2012, 02:25 PM
Harris is creeping up on Hugh Downs territory.

bartruff1
11-18-2012, 02:27 PM
The announcer guy is having a bad day...

MDABE80
11-18-2012, 02:30 PM
I agree with DIckau......Elias should be given his 20-20. He needs that attention nationally. national writers alway crap on Elias because he didn't "live up" to his freshman promise. Plus itll give him some boost for his own confidence. Let that hoss go!

Zags11
11-18-2012, 02:31 PM
Sloppy game imo. Defense is doing fairly well cept 3pt defense and our rebounding has been awesome. 30+ advantage.

Baldwinzag
11-18-2012, 02:31 PM
I agree with DDD, let Elias get 20 rebs!

awesome effort by Harris today -- same with GBJ. Sam showing some grit too...the rest have been a lil slow going, yet still going hard.

surprised GLE hasn't rec a bit more mins today.

does anyone know the school's single-game rebounding record??

hooter73
11-18-2012, 02:32 PM
this is actually a game opponents are going to use when scouting us imo.

CaliforniaZaggin'
11-18-2012, 02:33 PM
Mike. Hart. BOOM.

Baldwinzag
11-18-2012, 02:34 PM
Pangos with his 6th assist! (1 TO)

in somewhat limited mins...

MDABE80
11-18-2012, 02:37 PM
Hart is amazing. Tipping the ball he can't quite get to.......and then tipping to where he CAN get to it. Just a smart player.

Zags11
11-18-2012, 02:39 PM
Fox doesnt believe in us? Im so lost. He is saying we are too short at guard spot.

ZagNative
11-18-2012, 02:42 PM
Heister needs to shut the hell up ...

VinnyZag
11-18-2012, 02:42 PM
Fox doesnt believe in us? Im so lost. He is saying we are too short at guard spot.

A little bit of devil's advocate going on there, I think.

Rangerzag
11-18-2012, 02:45 PM
I really liked Foxes comment, something like: Come on we are calling a basketball game, not running a radio show.

Baldwinzag
11-18-2012, 02:45 PM
Heister needs to shut the hell up ...

+1

He always feels the need to prove his random points. So tedious as an announcer and annoying as all get out; that said, I enjoy his interview quite a bit, but as a play-by-play guy, he thinks he should be doing color, PbyP, AND the analyst. gets old, real fast.

also, if he mentions Indiana again and continue to argue everything that Fox says, I might have a meltdown...ugh.

CaliforniaZaggin'
11-18-2012, 02:47 PM
FWIW, I've watched the entire game on mute. DeadMau5 has been my commentary.

VinnyZag
11-18-2012, 02:47 PM
Is poor ft shooting contagious?

Baldwinzag
11-18-2012, 02:51 PM
FWIW, I've watched the entire game on mute. DeadMau5 has been my commentary.

i may take your lead on this...I dig a lil House every so often, more a dub step kinda guy, but I like your thinking...

I sincerely enjoy Dickau's commentary and key contributions, ditto to Fox, yet Heister doesn't allow anyone to make a point, offer new insight, or back it up...he thinks this is his own Talk Show or something. this IS NOT The Coach Few Show, Greg.

He irritates me more than being stuck in traffic.

He is very passive aggressive in his own salesy way too...which I'm not a big fan of...

sittingon50
11-18-2012, 05:59 PM
to answer your rebounds question (from the Media Guide)

33 Jim Dixon vs EWSC 1-23-61
28 Paul Cathey vs UNLV 12-28-77