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Vanzagger
09-24-2012, 02:10 PM
you know the routine

Good luck Hawks! LIZF, 03 we got a big one tonight. It looks like our division will be one of the toughest. No excuses though. We need to get to at least 12-4 to keep the 12th man in the loop through out the playoffs.

Did someone say playoffs?

gu03alum
09-24-2012, 02:14 PM
you know the routine

Good luck Hawks! LIZF, 03 we got a big one tonight. It looks like our division will be one of the toughest. No excuses though. We need to get to at least 12-4 to keep the 12th man in the loop through out the playoffs.

Did someone say playoffs?

It's all I could think about today at work. The Packers are going to feel the BeastQuake.

Baldwinzag
09-24-2012, 02:28 PM
If the past is any indication, Rookie QB's and winning MNF debuts don't go hand-in-hand...

Although the Pack would be mistaken to take Wilson for granted.

Should be an entertaining game ~

zag944
09-24-2012, 02:45 PM
Aaron Rodgers terrifies me. The replacement refs have generally done a terrific job of extinguishing any chance a momentum offense like Green Bay has of getting going to their full capacity, but he still terrifies me.

Look forward to seeing how our defensive backs stand against this test.

sittingon50
09-24-2012, 08:14 PM
No comments on MNF?

LongIslandZagFan
09-24-2012, 08:19 PM
Ugly win... but a W.

MDABE80
09-24-2012, 08:22 PM
Yikes! Did you see the end of this game???LIZ's son must have gone through the roof!
I did.

RenoZag
09-24-2012, 08:33 PM
With scab referees, anything is possible. . .even the Raiders won a game against the Steelers.

LongIslandZagFan
09-24-2012, 08:42 PM
Ugly... just ugly. Refs sucked... missed at least a dozen holding calls on both sides and call phantom penalties on top of that. Last play sucked as a fan of the NFL... but will take the W either way as a Seahawks fan. They really need to pay the refs whatever they want.

Vanzagger
09-24-2012, 08:46 PM
lots of ticky tac calls. Lots of missed calls. Hard to watch yes.

Can anyone say Golden ever lost partial possession? One of his hands did come off the ball for a spilt second. I don't know. Does the rule book talk about who get's it if it is 60-40? They say the tie goes to the O.

I understand how it looks but if I was a Packer I would be complaining more about the offensive pass interference. That was black and white. I heard officials are not supposed to call PI in that situation.

Once again, if someone can point out exactly where Golden had no possession of the ball I will then join the Packer pity party.

LongIslandZagFan
09-24-2012, 08:58 PM
two hands are not required for possession... but...

Vanzagger
09-24-2012, 09:02 PM
I remember the scouting report on Golden at Notre Dame...unbelievably strong hand/hands.

Seattle is very talented. I hope they learn how to put teams away.

Ekrub
09-24-2012, 09:06 PM
Wonder if this will affect the hawks at all. They are kind of unfairly getting #### on right now

Robzagnut
09-24-2012, 09:22 PM
Wonder if this will affect the hawks at all. They are kind of unfairly getting #### on right now

Not the hawks, the replacements.

zagzilla
09-24-2012, 09:25 PM
My favorite NFL teams are the Vikings and Seahawks so you know I have no love for Green Bay. Having said that-they got screwed on the last play.

Although Seattle benefited tonight, this in no way makes up for Superbowl XL

ZZ

DixieZag
09-24-2012, 09:32 PM
Were those WCC officials moonlighting as NFL referees? Reminds me a lot of some Zag @ USF games.

I think the PI penalty was actually WORSE than the TD, one can (sort of) make an argument that Tate was pretty near the football on the TD call.

Go hawks. . . sort of.

gu03alum
09-25-2012, 02:50 AM
Green Bay got a gift PI on their touchdown drive that gave them first down. They should have punted to Seattle, but instead scored a touchdown. The bad calls were plentiful in the game and went against both teams. The only reason this one gets so much attention was because it was the last play.

Birddog
09-25-2012, 05:40 AM
tainted

Zagpower
09-25-2012, 06:27 AM
Seahawks throw the first game-winning interception in NFL history.

LongIslandZagFan
09-25-2012, 06:31 AM
tainted

The whole season has been tainted.

Eroop22
09-25-2012, 07:05 AM
The refs sucked again big surprise. I am just glad the Hawks finally weren't on the losing side of a screw job. The Packers are lucky it was just a regular season game and not you know the Super Bowl. Its pretty sad that everyone will be talking about the last play of the game. The Hawks D was pretty awesome the entire first half and Browner tackle in the backfield towards the end of the game was impressive. Here is a picture that sums up how the Hawks D played most of the game.
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/408811_4263433196778_1128940135_n.jpg

treehorn
09-25-2012, 08:10 AM
Union-Buster Walker Calls for Return of Union Refs

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
September 25, 2012

MADISON, Wis. (AP) If there's one thing that can unite political foes in Wisconsin, it just may be the Green Bay Packers.

Republican Gov. Scott Walker, who made a national name for himself by going after public employee unions last year, posted a message on Twitter calling for the return of the NFL's locked-out unionized officials after a disputed call led to a Seattle Seahawks 14-12 victory over the Packers on Monday night.

"After catching a few hours of sleep, the (hash)Packers game is still just as painful. (hash)Returntherealrefs," Walker tweeted early Tuesday.

Democratic state Sen. Jon Erpenbach, who was one of 14 Democrats who fled to Illinois for three weeks last year in opposition to Walker's union proposal, said he saw the irony in Walker's post but in Wisconsin "we're all fans, first and foremost."

"If you were born and raised in Wisconsin, you were raised on the Packers," Erpenbach said. "Every Sunday it's Packers and pancakes, not necessarily in that order."

The NFL locked out the officials in June after their contract expired. The league has been using replacement officials, and through three weeks of the regular season there has been much criticism over the way some games are being handled.

Walker's spokesman Cullen Werwie tried to spin the governor's post on Tuesday, saying it wasn't meant as a pro-union political statement. Walker's tweet was being widely mocked on Twitter in light of his push last year that effectively ended collective bargaining for teachers, nurses and most other public workers...

NYT (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/09/25/us/ap-us-packers-strange-bedfellows.html?hp)

CDC84
09-25-2012, 08:24 AM
The whole season has been tainted.

....and will probably continue to be tainted. Most analysts last night felt that the controversy will have absolutely zero influence on the negotiations between the real refs and the owners. The owners want to make the replacements into the real refs. What took place last night will be considered on the job training.

The NFL is so popular in this country, and its fans so fanatical, that it can withstand stuff like this and still have record making profits. I wouldn't be surprised if all the discussion this week causes even more people to tune in. People will turn in just to see the blown calls and screaming coaches. And if it leads to more delayed whistles and violent hits, all the better.

Until the fans stay away from the stadiums and turn off the TV sets, I don't see things changing. I hope I am wrong.

zag944
09-25-2012, 09:33 AM
Whenever my teams lose in a poorly reffed game I feel like all I hear is talk about how they cant blame the refs, shouldve made plays, etc.

In football this has always just seemed so ridiculous to me, given the way that penalties probably could be called on any play, and can seem flat out arbritarry with poor and inconsistent officiating (as they did in the Week 3 games).

Not happy with the way we won but glad we did. If that had ended with a lifeless throw out of bounds I wouldve been mad about the officiating regardless.

LongIslandZagFan
09-25-2012, 11:43 AM
Two things have struck me over the first 3 games of the season...

1) the officials are letting themselves get bullied into throwing the flag by the players. Way too often you see no flag... Complaint by player, then amazingly a flag comes out.

2) the consistency of the calls are horrendous. Perfect example... During GB touchdown drive, Mebane got great penetration, was turning the corner and the OLinemen all but had his arm around his neck in a chokehold... Fast forward to the next Seattle drive... Not sue which GB player it was, is basically in the same situation as Mebane with an arm around his neck in an obvious hold. Just like Mebane was held... Results... no GB penalty but it's mirror image results in penalty for Seahawks. Both should have been penalties as they were outright obvious holds.

CDC84
09-25-2012, 12:11 PM
I know this goes without saying, but nobody should be surprised by the poor officiating that's going on. It was totally predictable.

The NFL replacement officials are not considered to be good enough to even officiate at the division one college football level. These guys are used to officiating NAIA games. They are doing a remarkable job considering their qualifications. I would be intimidated as hell doing what they're doing.

229SintoZag
09-25-2012, 01:07 PM
The real folks who have to be upset are the gamblers. I think Vegas will see a large slowdown in NFL business because of results like last night. If you lost your bets on a blown call like that, would you keep betting on NFL games the rest of the season?

CDC84
09-25-2012, 02:24 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8422934/seattle-seahawks-vs-green-bay-packers-disputed-mnf-call-shifted-150-250m-bets


Monday night's controversial touchdown call that gave the Seattle Seahawks a 14-12 victory over the Green Bay Packers had an immediate impact for gamblers.


If the Hail Mary pass by Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson would have been ruled an interception by Packers safety M.D. Jennings, Green Bay -- 3 point favorites -- would have won by five, covering the spread.


Instead, the replacement officials' call that Seahawks wide receiver Golden Tate had possession shifted all those who bet on the Packers to those who took the underdog Seahawks.


"Most of the customers in the sportsbook were not happy with the final call," said John Avello, director of the race and sportsbook at the Wynn in Las Vegas. "The shift was 100 percent. After the (Seahawks) score, all bets were reversed."

CDC84
09-25-2012, 02:29 PM
Regarding last night's controversy:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/46855/full-nfl-statement-on-packers-seahawks

asoc
09-25-2012, 04:27 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1427857/refss.gif

gu03alum
09-25-2012, 04:35 PM
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/206235_3598768337132_2091261376_n.jpg

gu03alum
09-25-2012, 04:37 PM
I got this one from Pargo the Destroyer

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/247947_10152140338145198_1892658584_n.jpg

gu03alum
09-25-2012, 04:38 PM
From Grantland
(http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/37964/tate-gate-grab-bag-goldens-tweets-pete-carroll-says-hallelujah-marshall-newhouse-would-like-you-to-repeat-the-question)
http://i.minus.com/iboAYMXqtCBRbO.gif

gu03alum
09-26-2012, 05:56 AM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1439509/Screen_Shot_2012-09-26_at_9.11.12_AM_medium.png

CDC84
09-26-2012, 01:18 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/vegas-casino-offers-refunds-bettors-180119878--nfl.html


LAS VEGAS (AP) -- A Las Vegas casino took an unusual step Wednesday and offered refunds to gamblers who lost money when the Seattle Seahawks beat the Green Bay Packers on a controversial touchdown at the end of Monday night's game.

Derek Stevens, owner The D Las Vegas, seized on the attention being paid to the much-derided decision by replacement officials handling the NFL game and became the only casino in Las Vegas to offer refunds.

''I know exactly how it would feel if I was laying the number and I saw what happened,'' Stevens said. He declared himself ''disgusted'' with the ruling and said he just couldn't accept the outcome.

CaliforniaZaggin'
09-26-2012, 04:19 PM
The replacement refs are considerably worse than the regular refs, and the regular refs kinda suck.

Exhibit A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg6oDimEWAg), Your Honor.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Referees-from-Naked-Gun-work-Steelers-game.png

CDC84
09-26-2012, 08:56 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/several-reports-indicate-deal-between-nfl-officials-imminent-023915580--nfl.html

Looks like we might see the real refs at Thursday night's game.