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Section 116
06-07-2012, 03:27 PM
One correction in the article-the Orleans seats 7500 not 9500. Of interest Jamie Zaninovich said the WCC is exploring options for 2014 and beyond regarding a choice of venue for the WCC tournament. Zaninovich noted the WCC would rather be in a facility a little too small than too big. From the Salt Lake Deseret News:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765581310/No-surprises-in-BYUs-1st-year-in-WCC.html?pg=2

kitzbuel
06-07-2012, 04:36 PM
I loved reading on the cougar board that they were stunned at being outnumbered at the Orleans.

Robzagnut
06-08-2012, 07:15 AM
No suprises?

I bet all of BYUdom is stunned they finished 3rd in the conference.

tinfoilzag
06-08-2012, 08:02 AM
Some questions for the GU Board posters:

Anyone have an idea of how many seats would be acceptable?

Does Vegas offer a venue with that many seats?

If BYU leaves the league, would the Orleans become a suitable venue again?

Wild speculation accepted.

I think having the tourney in Vegas has been a great move for the WCC and would like to see it stay there.

Angelo Roncalli
06-08-2012, 08:18 AM
There are some interesting dynamics as long as BYU is a member of the conference.

Playing at the Orleans is acceptable to BYU because the arena has a separate entrance from the casino and their fans do not have to go through the casino to get to the games.

The MGM Grand Arena, where the Pac-12 will be playing its tournament, would not be acceptable to BYU because the only way to get into the arena is by going through the casino.

One possible facility is the arena at Mandalay Bay. It seats about 12,000. I haven't been there and don't know about the access issues.

UNLV is looking at building a new sports complex along with the city of LV. That's another possible venue, the Thomas and Mack could be also if they keep it. There's no timetable on that, though.

My take is that the WCC will likely stay at the Orleans. BYU and Gonzaga are the only schools that bring more than 500 fans. It worked last year...

There are other arenas in other cities than Vegas (the conference has looked at Anaheim and San Jose). I think those would be disasters. They're not the draw that Vegas is. USF couldn't even get 1,500 people come to their home game in the everyone gets a trophy tournament, there's no reason to believe that playing in San Jose would draw more Bay Area fans than LV.

My prediction is that the conference will extend the deal with the Orleans.

NorCalCoug
06-08-2012, 10:28 AM
No suprises?

I bet all of BYUdom is stunned they finished 3rd in the conference.

Nah, most of BYUdom realized it was a rebuilding year with the loss of arguably the best backcourt in school history.

NorCalCoug
06-08-2012, 10:28 AM
Some questions for the GU Board posters:

Anyone have an idea of how many seats would be acceptable?

Does Vegas offer a venue with that many seats?

If BYU leaves the league, would the Orleans become a suitable venue again?

Wild speculation accepted.

I think having the tourney in Vegas has been a great move for the WCC and would like to see it stay there.

Thomas & Mack... but probably not an option.

NorCalCoug
06-08-2012, 10:30 AM
There are some interesting dynamics as long as BYU is a member of the conference.

Playing at the Orleans is acceptable to BYU because the arena has a separate entrance from the casino and their fans do not have to go through the casino to get to the games.

The MGM Grand Arena, where the Pac-12 will be playing its tournament, would not be acceptable to BYU because the only way to get into the arena is by going through the casino.


I'm a BYU fan and follow things pretty closely and I've NEVER heard any of this. I'm a bit skeptical of this information.

Angelo Roncalli
06-08-2012, 10:56 AM
I'm a BYU fan and follow things pretty closely and I've NEVER heard any of this. I'm a bit skeptical of this information.

I fully stand by what was posted. It was been a subject of concern and discussion within the WCC.

KStyles
06-08-2012, 11:35 AM
The MGM Grand Arena, where the Pac-12 will be playing its tournament, would not be acceptable to BYU because the only way to get into the arena is by going through the casino.

I wouldn't discount the MGM so quickly (for that reason, anyway). IIRC, there's an outdoor entrance to the Garden Arena if you park in self-parking and walk down to the street that runs behind the MGM and walk north. I'm sure if the WCC wanted to play the tournament there, they could ask that that entrance be available.

Obviously, the main entrance is through the casino, and that is easiest for most people staying on the strip. However, if WCC basketball fans have an aversion to walking through the casino, they're most likely not staying at a property on the strip (as you have to walk through the casino to get to the rooms at most of those), and would probably use self-park and could walk right in (or take the monorail, which also avoids MGM's casino).

Coach Crazy
06-09-2012, 12:18 PM
No suprises?

I bet all of BYUdom is stunned they finished 3rd in the conference.

What do you expect from an uneducated, "foam finger" fan base with an entitlement complex that has yet to detox from the "Jimmer" addiction?

That is like asking a fish to walk on it's tail fin and breathe out of water. Not going to happen.

zagitarious
06-10-2012, 10:51 AM
What do you expect from an uneducated, "foam finger" fan base with an entitlement complex that has yet to detox from the "Jimmer" addiction?

That is like asking a fish to walk on it's tail fin and breathe out of water. Not going to happen.

+1

Not like I want to hate on Cougars for no reason. But i think we all had a pretty bad time interacting with them this last season. At least I did.

raise the zag
06-10-2012, 12:11 PM
I'm not sure what to take from this thread, yet I assure you I witnessed hundreds upon hundreds of BYU fans, mostly Mormon, gambling and playing Roulette, Let it Ride, and/or BlackJack right beside me for the 3 days I spent in Vegas.

While no cocktail or stogie or were in hand like myself, they admitted gaming style gambling was a fine-line that many elected to cross...

I hung out and had a terrific time with many o sober Mormons whom participated in the casino games during the last WCC Tourney.

In addition, I know numerous other active board members who did as well with the very same BYU fans I speak of.

Just sayin'.

Colbyspapa
06-11-2012, 09:47 AM
They are going to stay put.

They get cheap room rates, and are we forgetting that every game where GU or BYU aren't playing is half full at best? SMC gets a decent following but after that, the arena is empty. (from a sales standpoint)

The last thing they want is tv showing empty stands for tournament games. That is why they prefer it to be smaller rather than too large.

KStyles
06-11-2012, 10:30 AM
the arena is empty. (from a sales standpoint)


From a sales standpoint, the arena is nearly as full for a Wednesday afternoon Portland vs. SCU play-in game as it is for a Monday night GU vs. SMC championship game, thanks to all-session passes. There are a limited number of same-day tickets that probably aren't bought for the early games that are bought & used for the later games, but they probably represent less than 10% of the seats anyway. Looking at it in terms of tickets sold, there are a probably a minimum of ~6500 fans at every game. If the WCC was to move to a larger arena, I'm sure they'd consider how many more all-session passes they'd sell vs. cost/size of the new arena. There's definitely something to be said for having a ticket demand that exceeds supply.