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ZagNative
06-07-2012, 01:30 PM
Mathis scored 16 points today on four threes, as Germany played a friendly game against France's U20 team, per basketball-bund.de (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.basketball-bund.de%2Fteams%2Fjugend%2Fu20-m). Germany won 77-58.

They play again Friday.

zag67
06-07-2012, 01:32 PM
Congrats MM.

And thanks Zagnative for the info on what is happining.

scrooner
06-07-2012, 02:58 PM
I guess I'm not clear on why MM standing in the corner & hitting 50% or more on 3s isn't good enough. Can somebody please explain that to me?

hooter73
06-07-2012, 03:06 PM
i guess I'll stop asking that he stops shooting threes as long as he keeps making them. Hope he understands that he is putting himself in his own little limited box by doing it though.

Good job on a good box score for one of our own.

Vanzagger
06-07-2012, 08:22 PM
I like the flow when he is in there regardless if he shoots or not.

ZAGGED OUT
06-08-2012, 07:10 AM
i guess I'll stop asking that he stops shooting threes as long as he keeps making them. Hope he understands that he is putting himself in his own little limited box by doing it though.

Good job on a good box score for one of our own.

he shot 46% from three his freshman year, I definitely wouldn't ask him to stop shooting them. Last year was just tough for him as he slid down the lineup with Edi coming back and Hoff definitely saw his minutes drop

hooter73
06-08-2012, 07:33 AM
a one dimensional player will have his minutes drop no matter what his % is. Meech was fast, Foster was tall... Hoff can be much more than a one dimensional player.

cjm720
06-08-2012, 07:53 AM
Hoff has much more to offer than corner 3s, which has become less and less effective. To be a high major college wing, especially with his height, he needs to add more to the offensive arsenal and if not he'll be limited to spot duty.

zag67
06-08-2012, 08:20 AM
I also think that if you look from where he started, he has come a long way. Last year I started watching him play defense. He is playing a lot better defense and is starting to learn how to rebound better. When he first got here, he was only a shoter. No he is not yet a complete player, but he is improving. He may not be a super star, but I do think that we will see a better player this year. Yes, he still needs to work on his ball handling and driving, but he still has 2 years. And he is showing on the German team that he is improving. That shows that GU has done well by him, but the job is not done. Remember, solid team help defense does not show up on stat sheets.

Zaga
06-08-2012, 09:02 AM
Amen to Hooter73 comment

Martin Centre Mad Man
06-08-2012, 09:07 AM
I do not believe that he needs to improve very much to become a very solid contributor for Gonzaga. As many have noted, he is primarily an outside shooting specialist. Those types of players have value, especially if they have his height and strength and can shoot over smaller defenders. Those players can stretch defenses and open lanes for other players to drive and post up, even if they rarely take a shot.

I still see a lot of room for improvement on both sides of the ball. At this time, he is relatively easy to defend, because he does little to create his own shot and takes too long to set up before he pulls the trigger. If he can develop a slightly more versatile offensive skill set, he is going to be a much, much harder player to guard. He really only needs to add one more move, whether it is a pull up jumper, a floater, a turnaround jumper, or some variation on a low post move for his offensive production to improve dramatically. Even just adding a quicker release on his passes and outside shots would help. I would not be at all surprised to see this kid develop one or more of these other tools and become a key contributor, perhaps even a starter, as an upperclassman.

As others have stated, his defense and rebounding have improved a lot during his first two years in the program. This tells me that he works hard and is coachable. If he continues to improve on defense and on rebounding, and shows a similar improvement on the offensive side of the ball, he should be a very solid player for this team. I would not be surprised to see him challenge GLE and Hart for a starting spot at the small forward position, particularly if those players don't improve on their shooting.

I am glad that he chose to stay with Gonzaga.

zag67
06-08-2012, 09:17 AM
Martin, well stated. THANKS.

ZagNative
06-09-2012, 01:23 PM
Germany gets its third win in the series with France, 61-48. Mönninghoff had 11 points in the win. France played shorthanded, with Gobert playing for Cholet vs. JP Batista's LeMans team in the French Pro A semi-finals. Still, a nice win for Germany, which plays Turkey in the next friendly game series starting June 14.

Google translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.basketball-bund.de%2Fnews%2Fu20-herren-wahren-weisse-weste-besiegen-frankreich-erneut-111535%3Futm_source%3Drss%26utm_medium%3Drss%26utm _campaign%3Du20-herren-wahren-weisse-weste-besiegen-frankreich-erneut) of the story of the game on basketball-bund.de.

zag buddy
06-09-2012, 03:36 PM
It would be something special for Mathis if he is playing with more confidence and if some pro team saw his potential and offered him a very good contract. Different players do develope at different times.

ZagFanInNC
06-09-2012, 05:53 PM
I don't understand why more Zags fans don't want Mathis to stick around and develop. It seems as though everyone is just waiting for him to transfer so that there is an open scholly. I also don't understand this mindset of foreign players not red shirting.

If this guy red shirts next year he will have two full years at the 3 with available minutes, not to mention another year to develop the other skills that he needs to work on.

It seems to me that a pretty athletic 6'6" guard who is lights out from 3 is a worthy candidate to try and develop, especially when he won't get any minutes this year anyways.

zag67
06-09-2012, 06:07 PM
NOt me. I want him to stay his four years and keep getting better. He still has work to do on his defense, ball handling and movement without the ball. But all of them are better than when he started.

hooter73
06-10-2012, 07:12 AM
Everyone wants him to stay so much so that lots of people want him to redshirt which imo he will not do. He has the abilities and potential, it just hasnt been realized yet by himself, the coaches...

NotoriousZ
06-10-2012, 08:39 AM
I don't understand why more Zags fans don't want Mathis to stick around and develop. It seems as though everyone is just waiting for him to transfer so that there is an open scholly. I also don't understand this mindset of foreign players not red shirting.

If this guy red shirts next year he will have two full years at the 3 with available minutes, not to mention another year to develop the other skills that he needs to work on.

It seems to me that a pretty athletic 6'6" guard who is lights out from 3 is a worthy candidate to try and develop, especially when he won't get any minutes this year anyways.

I think most everybody wants him to stay, there's just been talk of his possible transfer, because that's what he's been contemplating. But you can count me in with those who want him to stay. He's always been an incredible shooter, his D has steadily improved since he's been here, and he will have a role on this team.

raise the zag
06-10-2012, 12:15 PM
This is kind of a big deal 'Da Hoff is playing and even scoring in double-digits for German's U20 National Team b/c quite frankly, Germany features some of the best young talent in the World (outside of the US). They are on another level compared to the French, for instance. Only the Eastern Euro teams and possibly Spain can even come close that this juncture...

I'm sure the Coaches and Players hope Monninghoff sticks it out as well...he's a weapon and talent worth having around and even logging minutes. I like, even favor him on the court, especially in WCC play.

FloridaZag
06-11-2012, 09:01 AM
I hope he sticks around too. Few has done a great job of getting his upper-classmen minutes.

Last year, MM started showing flashes of vastly improved rebounding and defense. He may never be the star that we all hoped he might develop into after his freshman year, but at least he is starting to evolve into the type of effort player that the GU fans love. His ability to knock down shots is extremely valuable, especially since Mike Hart has shown a fear of the offensive end.

I see him next year as being a great role player that will come in when GLE's defense gets him into foul trouble (this is almost sure to happen with the terrible officiating that occurs in WCC play). If he sticks it out, he will play a good amount of minutes by his senior season.