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Zag 77
03-27-2012, 08:01 AM
US U-23 team is eliminated from the Olympics after a 3-3 tie with El Salvador in qualifying. This comes after a 2-0 loss to Canada.

Inexcusable. This is not a bad loss, this is a knucklehead loss.

Heads should roll after this debacle.

asoc
03-27-2012, 08:09 AM
Who's head?

Caleb Porter was only hired on for the Olympics. Do you want them to get rid of Claudio Reyna who was assistant coach but is also the head of youth development? Maybe Klinsman?

They, the USSF, are changing our system. That doesn't happen over night, or even in one year.

What about the ref team who missed our player getting punched in the face? We would have been playing a man up for the last 15 minutes or so if they saw that.

Yeah it sucks we won't have a men's team in the Olympics. But there was no guarantee we win that next game against Honduras.

gu03alum
03-27-2012, 10:07 AM
This definitely won't help soccer's popularity in the US.

Zag 77
03-27-2012, 12:45 PM
In the long history of the men's national team program, there has never been a monumental goalkeeping error at such a crucial moment as Sean Johnson's failure to hold on to Jaime Alas' shot from distance in the fifth minute of stoppage time of the USA-El Salvador game in Nashville, Tenn., on Monday night. Johnson will be remembered as the goat of the match that ended 3-3 and with it the USA's dream of going to the Olympics, but he was hardly the only one to blame for the epic collapse.

NIGHTMARE ENDING. At least five players share the blame of Alas' tying goal. The trouble began at exactly the 4:00 minute mark of stoppage time when Brek Shea -- a starter on the senior national team -- played an aimless ball into midfield where a comedy of errors followed.

First, Mix Diskerud and Michael Stephens ran into themselves trying to take the ball from Alas, and when El Salvador lost the ball, Amobi Okugo kicked it straight to Herbert Sosa. Three times the USA had the chance to kill the game, and three times it failed.

Sosa laid the ball off to Alas, who was off to the races. Okugo couldn't keep up and Ike Opara was late coming out, allowing Alas to shoot unchallenged from 24 yards out. Yes, it was a speculative shot, but Alas' shot was hit hard, bounced in front of Johnson and ate him up. At first, it looked like the ball might pop over the crossbar but it spun over Johnson's left shoulder and into the goal.

ATROCIOUS DEFENDING. Johnson was only in the game because starter Bill Hamid left with a ankle injury suffered in the first half, but Hamid wasn't subbed before he gave up two goals that wiped out the first-minute U.S. lead.

As it was throughout the tournament, the U.S. defending was atrocious. The USA was supposed to have a huge advantage in size over the Salvadorans, but that mattered little because no one marked. Just like against Canada, the USA's defending on set pieces was horrible. And Lester Blanco scored on a header to the near post off a corner kick, beating three Americans to the ball.




The whole U.S. Soccer top brass was on hand at LP Field, and no one will be more disappointed with the USA's exit than national team coach Jurgen Klinsmann. He was on the West Germany team that went to the 1988 Olympics in Seoul, and he credits its run with building the momentum that led to its World Cup title two years later.

For a young team needing international experience -- and at least five other under-23 players who could have been recalled for the Summer Olympics had been left in Europe -- it was a big opportunity lost.

As it was, few of the U-23s Coach Caleb Porter brought in acquitted themselves well. Can you say anyone helped his reputation in Nashville? Perhaps Corona and Boyd with six goals between them, but even they were invisible in the 2-0 loss to Canada.

The wing play in the favored 4-3-3 was poor, the midfield was beaten badly in both the Canada and El Salvador games, and as for the backline? Well, if Klinsmann was looking for help for his aging backline, he certainly wasn't going to find it from the U-23s' wretched back four.

No, don't blame Sean Johnson. He wasn't alone.




http://www.socceramerica.com/article/46129/olympic-dream-ends-in-epic-collapse.html

BobZag
03-27-2012, 04:22 PM
With the level of talent we had on that team, we should've never lost. Maybe lose to Mexico, but that's it. It's a bummer, but like asoc said, Klinsman is trying to install a different way of playing and it takes time. Still disappointing, though. I happen to think Sean Johnson is a very good keeper. Just a bunch of talent, from Sarkodie on defense to Brek Shea on top.

Qualifying for the 2014 World Cup starts soon. That is the next challenge for soccer in this country.

Goshzagit
03-27-2012, 10:51 PM
Sucks for the men & US soccer in general, yet I prefer watching the women's team anyway...BUT,

why did we have a completely different team than the one that just beat Italy at the end of February?

I don't understand why the US roster changes from game to game??? What other country does that?

Where was Clint Dempsey? Landon Donovan? Mike Bradley? Jozy Altidore?

Those players beat Sweden & Italy in recent months.

what happened? Where did they go?

I don't get it.

Zag 77
03-28-2012, 08:33 AM
For the Olympics, mens teams are made up of the national U-23 teams. Dempsey, Donovan, etc play for the main national team (sometimes referred to as the senior team). Sometimes very talented U-23 players play for both. FIFA has some different eligibility rules for European and South American Olympic teams than for North America to keep things balanced.

On the womens side, typically the Olympic teams and the World Cup teams are the same.

Zag 77
03-28-2012, 01:47 PM
Jurgen Klinsmann came to U.S. U-23 coach Caleb Porter's defense after Porter failed to guide the USA to the Olympics.

“Overall, the way Caleb developed the program in these just couple of months was outstanding,” Klinsmann said. “He’s done an outstanding job. How he put his thoughts and ideas into these guys. There’s a bright future ahead of him in his coaching career.

“You saw that tonight [3-3 vs. El Salvador], you saw it against Cuba [6-0 win], you saw it against Mexico [2-0 friendly win], and it’s important for us to see that we’re on the right path in terms of style of play.”

All that said, writes Ives Galarcep, Porter is also young and inexperienced. Having a tournament as important as the Olympic qualifying tournament be his first major international event, might have been a step too far. As much as he did to teach a new approach and a new system, his lineup decisions and in-game management were fraught with question marks and cringe-worthy mistakes.

According to Steve Davis at ProSoccerTalk, Porter's contract expires on April 30. That was the date set if the USA failed to qualify. Porter is expected to meet soon with U.S. Soccer President Sunil Gulati and U.S. Soccer secretary general Dan Flynn as part of a normal review.



www.socceramerica.com

sittingon50
03-28-2012, 05:03 PM
Those damn Canadians! Time for an invasion (much more convenient).

xjzico
04-03-2012, 10:56 AM
Sucks for the men & US soccer in general, yet I prefer watching the women's team anyway...BUT,

why did we have a completely different team than the one that just beat Italy at the end of February?

I don't understand why the US roster changes from game to game??? What other country does that?

Where was Clint Dempsey? Landon Donovan? Mike Bradley? Jozy Altidore?

Those players beat Sweden & Italy in recent months.

what happened? Where did they go?

I don't get it.

Most international teams with a limited talent pool and who are not in close geographic proximity to Europe share this problem. It doesn't help that our domestic league plays in the summer while basically everyone else plays in the winter. It's a juggling act getting the best of the foreign and domestic players together at one time while still respecting their club commitments.

Disappointing for the U-23s. I like Porter, but maybe they need a little more experience and someone working full-time in concordance with Klinsmann. That is unless we're going to make Akron our defacto U-23 team.