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MDABE80
07-15-2007, 11:06 PM
http://www.midiowanews.com/site/tab6.cfm?newsid=18578271&BRD=2700&PAG=461&dept_id=612550&rfi=6

brasszag
07-16-2007, 04:31 AM
"High School gyms"

Feh.

LongIslandZagFan
07-16-2007, 05:44 AM
"High School gyms"

Feh.


I would hope he isn't talking about K2. If he is, he hasn't been watching the games there.

Portland and St. Mary's have "High School gyms" if that is what he is alluding to.

oregongufan
07-16-2007, 06:50 AM
The Chiles is not a high school gym. It needs a little polish.

From viewing television games, besides St Mary's, I'd say it is Pepperdine's gym. It looks less than desirable for a top division team.

sittingon50
07-16-2007, 06:54 AM
Portland= No
LMU= Yes

sonuvazag
07-16-2007, 06:55 AM
When is the last time Iowa State played in MSG against Duke or NC?

LionPride
07-16-2007, 07:03 AM
Word from here is that Grant has his heart set on GU, but everybody around him is pressuring him to stay local, ISU. As an Iowa fan, I hope he ends up with you guys!

spudzag
07-16-2007, 07:17 AM
Word from here is that Grant has his heart set on GU, but everybody around him is pressuring him to stay local, ISU. As an Iowa fan, I hope he ends up with you guys!

Makes perfect sense. If his parents are wise they will let this be Grant's decision, not theirs.

DavyZag
07-16-2007, 07:42 AM
Yeah... I've been to the Chiles Center. It's definitely not a high school gym. Pepperdine's (from what I've heard) is the worst in the WCC, followed by SMC and Loyola.

TheZagPhish
07-16-2007, 08:50 AM
Word from here is that Grant has his heart set on GU, but everybody around him is pressuring him to stay local, ISU. As an Iowa fan, I hope he ends up with you guys!

I hope so too, LP, but whatever his decision I hope he secures what he's seeking. :)

zagster318
07-16-2007, 09:06 AM
Word from here is that Grant has his heart set on GU, but everybody around him is pressuring him to stay local, ISU. As an Iowa fan, I hope he ends up with you guys!

If true, that is rather selfish of his parents.

sonuvazag
07-16-2007, 09:18 AM
I can respect family and friends wanting him to stay close. They obviously don't share Grant's passion for GU but they love Grant and want him around.

So Grant seems to be unique in his love of the Zags... I mean it's something he came to without the persuasion of his parents or friends. For that reason, I hope he follows his inner voice and catches his dream (he has earned it,) but I'll be rooting for him either way.

LongIslandZagFan
07-16-2007, 10:29 AM
Yeah... I've been to the Chiles Center. It's definitely not a high school gym. Pepperdine's (from what I've heard) is the worst in the WCC, followed by SMC and Loyola.


Not saying it IS a HS gym, but when you have the short ends it gives that impression to the viewing public.

jbslicer
07-16-2007, 10:35 AM
The USF gym looks sort of like the gym in the uptown Butte YMCA.

ZagNative
07-16-2007, 10:49 AM
If Grant makes his decision based on the average attendance at home games, the Zags lose:


NCAA Division I Men's Top 30 in Attendance (http://daytonflyers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/060107aaa.html)

School Avg. 1. Kentucky 23,421 2. Syracuse 21,516 3. North Carolina 20,693 4. Tennessee 19,661 5. Louisville 18,488 6. Ohio State 17,530 7. Wisconsin 17,190 8. Maryland 16,822 9. Arkansas 16,720 10. Illinois 16,618 11. Indiana 16,474 12. Kansas 16,300 13. Creighton 15,909 14. Marquette 15,345 15. Michigan State 14,759 16. Memphis 14,527 17. Arizona 14,202 18. NC State 13,952 19. Virginia 13,521 20. Connecticut 13,012 21. Oklahoma State 13,008 22. Texas 12,969 23. New Mexico 12,853 24. South Carolina 12,838 25. Iowa State 12,489 26. Kansas State 12,301 27. Alabama 12,285 28. Dayton 12,266 29. Iowa 12,196 30. Brigham Young 12,073

Those figures are coming off a 14-16 season.

Fortunately for us, our TV exposure gives Grant a much broader audience.

PeninsulaDog
07-16-2007, 10:51 AM
St. Mary's = High School Gym

Pepperdine = High School Gym

Loyola = High School Gym

USF = High School Gym, but I have to allow some slack. War Memorial is historic and was built by legends.

It wasn't that many years ago that the Chiles Center was arguably the nicest facility in the WCC/WCAC, and the Martin Centre was the worst.

CDC84
07-16-2007, 10:57 AM
God bless St. Mary's, who has a lot of really good fans that l like, as well as a really nice coach, but McKeon is worse than many high school gyms. It's just awful, and it is my sincere hope that they will get some money together (one day) to build a new facility. The Gaels and Coach Bennett deserve better.

If anybody is going to bypass Gonzaga because they play in some outdated gyms during league play, they're probably somebody we don't want. Again, this is where that jet will come in handy. The Zags will come into town like the Rolling Stones, play their gig, hop back on the jet and go home or move on to the next city. Who gives a dang what the opposing gym is like?....as long as the baskets are at the right height and the floor is in decent condition.

ZagNative
07-16-2007, 11:11 AM
Pepperdine = High School Gym

Maybe, but the setting in Malibu, in mid-January, has some appeal, don't you think?

http://www.pepperdine.edu/virtualtour/pepinpics/malibu-campus/mc4.jpg

I don't know how anxious I'd be to climb right back on that Gulfstream to be deposited up north after a game.

PeninsulaDog
07-16-2007, 01:34 PM
I'm not so sure . . . I've always thought that Pepperdine is a little creepy. Kind of like "The Psychoneurotic Institute for the Very, Very Nervous" in Mel Brooks' "High Anxiety". Lots of little white buildings, perched on a seaside cliff. Not nearly as creepy as St. Mary's, however, which has been aptly compared to Jonestown: Lots of little white buildings located in the middle of nowhere.

sonuvazag
07-16-2007, 02:33 PM
I'm not so sure . . . I've always thought that Pepperdine is a little creepy. Kind of like "The Psychoneurotic Institute for the Very, Very Nervous" in Mel Brooks' "High Anxiety". Lots of little white buildings, perched on a seaside cliff. Not nearly as creepy as St. Mary's, however, which has been aptly compared to Jonestown: Lots of little white buildings located in the middle of nowhere.
LOL. Good one. And I learned after living in LA for a year, it's really not very warm in January. And not a lot of sunshine. I'd expect to be even cooler and windier in Malibu.

You'd think it be great. You show up at the beach in January, and you're the only one there. Everyone else already learned. It's almost a better tradeoff to actually have snow and just have a real winter.

Butler Guy
07-17-2007, 08:28 AM
gym here, east of Indianapolis that seats over 10000 people. The school is in New Castle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Castle,_Indiana), Indiana: population 17865.

thickman1
07-17-2007, 08:33 AM
gym here, east of Indianapolis that seats over 10000 people. The school is in New Castle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Castle,_Indiana), Indiana: population 17865.

Wow...

http://nccsc.k12.in.us/mruther/images/mvc-005f.jpg

lawzag
07-17-2007, 10:04 AM
If Grant makes his decision based on the average attendance at home games, the Zags lose:



Those figures are coming off a 14-16 season.

Fortunately for us, our TV exposure gives Grant a much broader audience.

Its not our fault our attendance records are lower. If K2 had been built to seat 10,000, I bet the Gonzaga faithful would pack it every game. You can only accomodate the number of people that your venue will allow. Look at our Arena & BIS games, we certainly bring in more than 10,000 to those games!

DenDiegoZag
07-17-2007, 10:32 AM
Its not our fault our attendance records are lower. If K2 had been built to seat 10,000, I bet the Gonzaga faithful would pack it every game. You can only accomodate the number of people that your venue will allow. Look at our Arena & BIS games, we certainly bring in more than 10,000 to those games!

Exactly,

It is easy to refute the average attendance argument with statistics on consecutive sell-outs, home records, neutral site attendance, TV exposure, and on and on...I doubt that the average attendance statistic will be the fact that will swing Grant's decision one way or the other...In the end, I doubt it really matters as "a strong selling point of your program" that you play in front of 10,000 fans at big gyms in all of your conference games, if your program and that recruit are looking at losing around 50% of the time...I'll bet that during some sort of GU 10 game winning streak SportsCenter will still find a way to get Grant's highlights on the air, even if they are recorded in a smaller gym...

brasszag
07-17-2007, 12:50 PM
Does Iowa State have a student section like the one linked to in ZagNative's sig?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJbOCbiQSI

Butler Guy
07-17-2007, 03:18 PM
Wow...

http://nccsc.k12.in.us/mruther/images/mvc-005f.jpg

Just in the past 10 years Butler has had Brandon Miller, Darnell Archey, Bruce Horan, Mike Monzerez, and are now adding Zach Hahn and Chase Stigall, all of whom played guard at New Castle Chrysler.

Former Mr Basketball Steve Alford also played in that gym, you might say they produce some guards. :D

ZagNative
07-17-2007, 04:18 PM
Does Iowa State have a student section like the one linked to in ZagNative's sig?

I don't know what the student section is like, but Hilton Coliseum in Ames is famously loud, per Fran Fraschilla (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/insider/columns/story?columnist=fraschilla_fran&id=2299476&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb %2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dfraschi lla_fran%26id%3d2299476).

HiltonMagic
07-18-2007, 09:00 AM
QUOTE=brasszag;39266]Does Iowa State have a student section like the one linked to in ZagNative's sig?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJbOCbiQSI[/QUOTE]

Yes, in fact we do. The student section is known as Cyclone Alley. It isn't on the side, like yours, but it is at each end of Hilton. Cyclone Alley helps give us one of the best home-court advantages in the country(We were voted as having the best homecourt advantage and student section on an ESPN poll this season) We once had a 39 game home winning streak at one point a few years back....Our home court advantage is known as Hilton Magic(hence my username)and it is known to power the team to upsets and comebacks over the years. Hilton Magic has faded over the last few seasons, but McDermott is rebuilding our program and the Magic will be back in a year or two. I can't wait for our future to get here, because it will be great....and truely "Magical."

FarmerClone
07-18-2007, 12:33 PM
Iowa State will very likely sell over 10,000 season tickets for basketball this year. Hilton Coliseum is one of the best home court advantages in the country and the fans can be amazingly loud at times. I have witnessed games the crowd was so loud that the baskets are literally swaying. It is truly a great atmosphere.

With that said, the Zag program is obviously light years ahead of ISU right now and I applaud Grant for making a very tough choice with class and dignity. Best of luck to Grant and the Zags.