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Vanzagger
12-25-2011, 10:06 AM
player.

Hoff had a nice plus four. When he came out of the game vs AF we had the lead. The offence looked to be running smooth. I always like his D. He blocks out better than anyone I have ever seen.

This is the kind of big athletic shooting guard who could be a difference maker vs BCS competition if he has confidence.

Give this kid a huge leash.

WallaWallaZag
12-25-2011, 05:36 PM
he has potential...but right now he's too one-dimensional on offense...just stands around on the perimeter most of the time. we have enough firepower on offense right now that hoff's offensive potential isn't enough to offset the additional rebounding/defense/hustle that hart has to offer...or guy for that matter.

fedwayzag
12-25-2011, 10:21 PM
when Hoff is in I watch his defense closely. I thought he played great D against Hawaii's JOhnson. Then against AF did closed out perfectly in the zone on a shooter. I agree he has a tendency to stand around a little on offense this year but hard to say since he does not get much time. At some point we might need for him to come up big and I think he will.

Vanzagger
12-25-2011, 10:47 PM
win it all with Hart out there. I just think we need more length. I'm going to continue beating this drum. If we make it to a Sweet 16 game, Hart at the 3 makes us small because GBJ is already playing out of position.

Hey, if beating Air Force by 8 or was it 10, without their leading scorer on our floor gets everybody excited, that's great.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't think Few wins his first Sweet game this year.

kitzbuel
12-26-2011, 04:48 AM
It is MM's decision. Right now there are 6 consistent scoring options (KP, DS, GBJ, Dower, Rob and E). There is not a burning need for additional offensive output on this team right now.

If MM wants more time he gets it through rebounding, defense and forcing turnovers. I am sure the staff would love it if someone could do that and score, so the opportunity likely is there.

MickMick
12-26-2011, 05:59 AM
I recall how hard Morrision worked to receive the ball. It would serve Hoff well to emulate Morrison.

DCZag
12-26-2011, 06:48 AM
I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I know one thing - on this team you earn your minutes. If MH wants to play, he needs to do something more than he is now to see more court time.

It's not about a "leash", potential is great, living up to it is another thing entirely. No D1 coach will sit (barring disciplinary actions) players that give the team the best chance to win, you don't keep a job that way.

I like Hoff - see lots of potential as well - but to this point, he is a situational player. I won't speculate on why - the coaches know what they are doing...

Baldwinzag
12-26-2011, 07:05 AM
I've always found it entertaining how certain posters continually promote the strengths of the players who don't play(Hoff, Olynyk, Keita, et al) yet hammer on the weaknesses of the players who do -- :)

Vanzagger
12-26-2011, 11:05 AM
I've always found it entertaining how certain posters continually promote the strengths of the players who don't play(Hoff, Olynyk, Keita, et al) yet hammer on the weaknesses of the players who do -- :)


of it is, all Few has to do is meet expectations and I have to shut up. And I'll gladly admit I WAS WRONG. I want that real bad.

Few's small line ups have proven not to work when the top 16 teams are left(many times sooner). Guess what. He's at it again.

Come on Mark, I like you. Shut me up.

willandi
12-26-2011, 11:12 AM
Thought Batista was well rounded!

maynard g krebs
12-26-2011, 11:21 AM
Few's small line ups have proven not to work when the top 16 teams are left(many times sooner).

Hall 5'8
Santangelo 6'1
Frahm 6'5

Bell, Pangos, and Hart or Edi are an aggregate 6' taller than the above 3.

bballbeachbum
12-26-2011, 01:39 PM
He blocks out better than anyone I have ever seen.

:confused:

there are points to be made about maybe why Hoff could see more of the floor but this is not one of them.

good call Balwinzag

Vanzagger
12-26-2011, 02:28 PM
Hall 5'8
Santangelo 6'1
Frahm 6'5

Bell, Pangos, and Hart or Edi are an aggregate 6' taller than the above 3.

is a great point. They were Herman's guys though.

Santangelo special athlete.

Frahm's last two plays as a pro for the Rockets he took right down the middle of the lane and flushed it. Could play above the rim.

Hall, well that's great. Let's play Stock out there for 30 minutes a game with two other 6ft players and see if we can get Few to a great 8. I'm saying it's not gonna happen. I think Stock is 5'7 so it's closer than 6'

Ezag
12-26-2011, 02:32 PM
Hoff needs to start knocking down some shots when he gets his chance or he won't see the floor the rest of the season. He is supposed to be a 3-point specialist and when he's not, there is really not much use for him out there with a team this deep.

Vanzagger
12-26-2011, 02:48 PM
is a big guard. He's in the ideal situation. His coach, Mark Jackson, has his back. Last night he missed his first four shots. In a close game he was put back in. He started heating up.

Klay had a bad shooting night in an exhibition game and Jackson told him to keep shooting. I wish Ronny was still there but I am going to try and watch some Warrior games.

Congratulations to his brother Michael for making the Cavs.

Bing
12-26-2011, 02:54 PM
of it is, all Few has to do is meet expectations and I have to shut up. And I'll gladly admit I WAS WRONG. I want that real bad.

Few's small line ups have proven not to work when the top 16 teams are left(many times sooner). Guess what. He's at it again.

Come on Mark, I like you. Shut me up.

So, Few needs to recruit 6' 3" to 6'6" guards who have ALL the tools (note -- these are called McDonalds All Americans) but he continues to recruit 6'3" to 6'6" guards and wings with some of the tools. He can (and has) gotten shorter guys with more tools (including heart).

So -- for you to be right, all Few needs to do is start getting the guys that are going to Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, etc. And then YOU will be right. It's that easy, isn't it?

That darn Few. "He's at it again."

Bing
12-26-2011, 02:57 PM
is a great point. They were Herman's guys though.

Santangelo special athlete.

Frahm's last two plays as a pro for the Rockets he took right down the middle of the lane and flushed it. Could play above the rim.

Hall, well that's great. Let's play Stock out there for 30 minutes a game with two other 6ft players and see if we can get Few to a great 8. I'm saying it's not gonna happen. I think Stock is 5'7 so it's closer than 6'

They were Fitz's guys.

75Zag
12-26-2011, 03:17 PM
My girlfriend Scarlett says that "well rounded" = fat.

Go Bulldogs! Get Bigger!

maynard g krebs
12-26-2011, 03:20 PM
is a great point. They were Herman's guys though.



Herman Munster? He had great "length", and that bolt in his neck was pretty intimidating. Let's put him at the wing. At the least, he'd get all the calls in his favor.

roxdoc
12-26-2011, 04:33 PM
I cringe everytime the board gets excited because the coaches are strongly recruiting the next great guard who is 5'11" or 6'. I get excited too and then I find out how tall they are. Yes I know - every once in a while there is a gem. But we really need more size and athleticism on D these days. Thats why I am excited about Edi.

MickMick
12-26-2011, 04:46 PM
I've always found it entertaining how certain posters continually promote the strengths of the players who don't play(Hoff, Olynyk, Keita, et al) yet hammer on the weaknesses of the players who do -- :)

My observations from the past 1.5 seasons:


1) Hoff doesn't work hard enough to get open shots.
2) Keita has length, hustles in transition, and plays defense. He is a huge asset with respect to being a legit defensive challenge in practice.
3) Olynik will be much more helpful with the redshirt.
4) Hart is one of GU's most consistent players because of his effort.
5) Carter isn't playing at the level he finished up last year.
6) Dower has turned the corner but still isn't playing near his capability.
7) Rob's hand is a huge setback but perhaps the silver lining is that Pangos and Bell will take more shots instead of force feeding the post.
8) Harris has turned the corner and we hope he "brings it" from this point forward.
9) Stockton has been solid and is a better scorer than last year.
10) Pangos and Bell are a dynamite starting backcourt.
11) Edie has been productive considering his late start. He doesn't exactly "disappear".
12) Considering how difficult the transition to D1 typically is for freshman "bigs", Spangler is passing with flying colors.


13) Caution: Stricty personal conjecture.

Based on what little I saw of Dranginis, he may prove to be the best one of the entire bunch. My prediction....he explodes on to the national scene at the conclusion of his redshirt sophomore season.
Every bit as much hoopla next season as a freshman, probably more, than Pangos and Bell are currently receiving.

Virginia Zags Fan
12-26-2011, 07:51 PM
I think Hoff has great potential and I really like him. I think that he is going to make significant contributions to the program at some point going forward. I hope he practices hard and continues to improve.

I saw Keita in shoot around at the Butler game. Looks like his shot is coming around as well. I hope he also continues to work hard as I think he will be a great asset to this team.

I like our entire team very much. While this may not be the most talented team(according to coach Few), I think it is the most solid top to bottom.