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Ezag
12-24-2011, 08:54 AM
X now has lost 3 in a row including to Oral Roberts and Hawaii, they should be at full strength again when we play them, but now are we expected to win? Funny how the turn of events in a couple of weeks can completely 180 a team. They will have a chip on their shoulders. Sounds like it could be a trap! I am excited about the game but also a little nervous for some reason. I like it better when we're the underdog playing a top 20 team.

NEC26
12-24-2011, 09:04 AM
I liked our chances all along but their losing streak means they will want a win pretty bad. Really wish they hadn't lost those games. Takes away from a win and makes them hungrier.

Gonzdb8
12-24-2011, 09:24 AM
X will be at full strength, playing at home and desperate for a win. i don't like it.

hooter73
12-24-2011, 09:32 AM
its not a trap; it was going to be a hard game before the brawl and suspensions and losses, and its going to be a hard game now. We are the underdogs in this one.

Oregonzagnut
12-24-2011, 09:34 AM
The only traps are the ones we set for ourselves. Getting overconfident and trying to speed up play above our abilities as a team.

Keep it slow, methodical and defense oriented and we will beat anyone in the country.

We can't run and gun efficiently yet.

Baldwinzag
12-24-2011, 09:44 AM
This game sure changed in a hurry.

Before the season started, I mentioned X would be a Top-10 team and one of the best chances for a signature win.

We still need this game and will be excited to play/watch it, yet the media has been hammering Xavier lately and sending the message, "this is not the same team" mantra.

While I agree with the sentiment, they'll be full-strength, at-home, and still Top-10 talent in their backcourt and most likely make noise in their Conference and by the time March rolls around.

Unfortunately, most media outlets have reported or presume they'll still have suspended players when we face them.

In their loss last night, they blew a 15 pt lead late in the 2nd half and Tu Holloway still scored 26 pts & Lyon 18 pts. Considering Dez Wells(10ppg, 5rpg) is their 3rd leading scorer and returns for our game, its becomes a tough, tough match-up.

Unfortunately, this game has become a somewhat lose-lose game. It'd mean a ton to us and our team to win this game on the road, yet will receive little to no credit from the pundits or NCAA Committee, imho.

While our defense has been much improved, our dribble-drive has been suspect at best, especially Mike Hart & David Stockton -- which both receive a ton of PT, especially on the road. I have zero issues with these two playing significant minutes as they've proven their worth, ability, and skill as major contributors to this team. However, X has an unreal ability(best in nation?) at attacking perimeter defenders with Holloway, Lyons, & Wells. All strong, athletic, fast, terrific play-makers, scorers in their backcourt. We'll have the rebounding, size, and play-making advantage up front, yet our point of attack defense really concerns me this game.

I expect GBJ to play 38+ minutes on Lyons/Holloway, Pangos should do OK on TU, & the match-up worth watching will be Hart on Lyons or Wells, who might be their best raw talented guard.

The good news is, Guy Landry Edi made a defensive appearance vs 'Zona's guards and did quite well. I'm sure he'll have similar results this game.

Elias is the x-factor yet again. They feature an athletic PF & a big-bodied C, yet X is not a very good rebounding team. If committed, we could out-rebound them by double-digits. It'd be nice to see Rob healthy on NYE as well. He defended Frease very well, drew several cheap fouls, and really shut him down which opened up the game for us in the 2nd half. He can do this again, yet depends on his health. Dower has been a revelation as of late, yet seems to struggle a bit vs taller players, thus I'd like to see Sacre protecting the baseline from Wells preferred driving spot and drawing fouls on Frease(keeping him away from the glass as well). I think Elias rises to the challenge/big game once again.

Should be an entertaining game. We have counter strengths to one another and both need a sig win to end our OOC play.

I wish X wouldn't have went from #7 to unranked in the past 2 weeks, yet it is what is...just win.

BobZag
12-24-2011, 09:49 AM
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MDABE80
12-24-2011, 09:51 AM
Up late watching XLose in OT. Lyons and Holloway are the two troublemakers.\
MOuthing off to the refs, protesting every call, arrogant and nasty to other players. I see Tu hasn't learned much from his one game suspension. Tu instigated that fight with his mouth...

I hope we beat these guys. It's a tall order with their talent...even moreso with their newfound motivation. Plus it's on the road at their place. I usually don't focus on personnel or other teams. This one is different though. I don't like them...compared to last year, something happened to the tone of things with X. We have 7 days to prepare.
I hope Few sends them home that night with a 20 pt loss.

Tough team and it'll be a tough chore. We could sure use Rob healthy again. Those 3 guards of their are lightin quick. I think we can win but it'll be a close one if they get their running game going. I'd really like to beat these guys though.

JPtheBeasta
12-24-2011, 10:50 AM
This was the kind of game I was worried about when many of the board members were giving Meech a parade out of town. I totally agree with Baldwin that our defense at the point of attack and containing the dribble is a concern going into this one. Maybe Carter puts in a good enough game that we don't need Stockton and Pangos on the floor at the same time with any regularity. I also think it is a big deal for GBJ to stay out of foul trouble- Few has dilemma because he probably matches up best against Tu but he might want to protect him by putting him on Lyons, who in my estimation is a less physical player.

Xavier is a team that doesn't look to have much heart or character right now, but I expect the home crowd to make Xavier a lot tougher. I with the others that really want this win pretty bad, and I do think it is in reach. And I don't want a win against GU to be the catalyst that gets their season back on track.

BayAreaZag
12-24-2011, 11:32 AM
It is going to be a tough played game, but I see the Zags coming out on top. If Elias can continue his play in his inside / outside game they will have a hard time containing him.

roxdoc
12-24-2011, 12:15 PM
I am amazed that some here make it sound like X has somehow lost their mojo. They were #7 (thats top 10 folks) before their incident. Since then they have not been playing with key players and have lost a few. Guess what? At our game they will have all those people back, be at home, and looking to take the first step at gaining back their top 10 position.

Not saying we can't win but it ain't no trap, and it will be business as usual for the Xmen.

bartruff1
12-24-2011, 01:09 PM
Zip them up...

BayAreaZag
12-24-2011, 01:25 PM
This game will also now be a ranked Gonzaga team (I guess) versus an unranked Xavier who is at home, and has lost three straight.

DixieZag
12-24-2011, 01:52 PM
This game will also now be a ranked Gonzaga team (I guess) versus an unranked Xavier who is at home, and has lost three straight.

I don't think the Zags will be ranked, nor should they. Although, sometimes teams "magically appear" ranked in the ESPN rankings at 25 or 24 when they have a big game on ESPN the next week. Could happen.

I don't think it is a lose/lose for GU. Though the country may not be aware of the fact that all the players are back, the committee will and if we win it will be almost as big a win (maybe just as big b/c of their inevitable hunger) if we beat them.

I also don't think Few (and definitely not the team) will have 7 days to prepare; the team left town on the 23 and will be back on the 26th (at least some of them will go home, some who live in Europe or even Toronto (Pangos) may not go home, but they will not be practicing and Few is a total family guy and will definitely take 3 or 4 days off.

But, the same should be true of Xavier. This will be the toughest game of the year, it will take our best effort of the year and we will need to be firing on all cylinders to have a chance. It is possible to come out with a win, but I don't think we would win more than 1 in 4 at their place with that team.

But I also want to win this game more than any other in OOC and I am nearly certain that will be true of the team also.

BayAreaZag
12-24-2011, 02:02 PM
I don't think the Zags will be ranked, nor should they. Although, sometimes teams "magically appear" ranked in the ESPN rankings at 25 or 24 when they have a big game on ESPN the next week. Could happen.

I don't think it is a lose/lose for GU. Though the country may not be aware of the fact that all the players are back, the committee will and if we win it will be almost as big a win (maybe just as big b/c of their inevitable hunger) if we beat them.

I also don't think Few (and definitely not the team) will have 7 days to prepare; the team left town on the 23 and will be back on the 26th (at least some of them will go home, some who live in Europe or even Toronto (Pangos) may not go home, but they will not be practicing and Few is a total family guy and will definitely take 3 or 4 days off.

But, the same should be true of Xavier. This will be the toughest game of the year, it will take our best effort of the year and we will need to be firing on all cylinders to have a chance. It is possible to come out with a win, but I don't think we would win more than 1 in 4 at their place with that team.

But I also want to win this game more than any other in OOC and I am nearly certain that will be true of the team also.

We'll see about the rankings. For one, Xavier won't be ranked anymore, and the Zags have compiled some decent wins.

I see a close game, but the Zags pulling it out at the end. I'm not sure about the Zags, but in basketball teams I've worked with, they practice most days of the break. It's going to be interesting to see how Xavier reacts to their three loss streak. Just hoping for a clean game between two great programs.

EuroZag2010
12-24-2011, 02:02 PM
Xavier plays Southern Illinois on christmas 25....

RenoZag
12-24-2011, 02:04 PM
its not a trap; it was going to be a hard game before the brawl and suspensions and losses, and its going to be a hard game now. We are the underdogs in this one.

I liked our chances better before Rob's thumb injury. . .he abused Frease last year

EuroZag2010
12-24-2011, 02:11 PM
I watched the game last night, Tu and Mark are a one two punch they can play and im sure Wells is key to their offense. Other than that I thought their big man Frease looks slow on offense and slow on defense. I dont think he can card Sam if Sam gets going. Sams shot is so quick. "IF" their guards dont have a 18-25 + game usually they dont win and last night Tu and Mark carried them most of that game. I think defense will be key in this game. Also they cant make free throws.

This will be a huge game for us regardless of what X rankings are, to go into their arena and beat them would be big. I hope the fellas are up for the challenge.

DixieZag
12-24-2011, 02:14 PM
We'll see about the rankings. For one, Xavier won't be ranked anymore, and the Zags have compiled some decent wins.

I see a close game, but the Zags pulling it out at the end. I'm not sure about the Zags, but in basketball teams I've worked with, they practice most days of the break. It's going to be interesting to see how Xavier reacts to their three loss streak. Just hoping for a clean game between two great programs.

Didn't know this, but I have heard that, in the past, Few has allowed guys to go home for Christmas if they are able to. Thanks for the info.

And to Reborn, I couldn't agree more about Rob's thumb. Rob is notorious for underplaying injuries, that is why I woud not use him in contact or in a game prior to X.

BayAreaZag
12-24-2011, 02:25 PM
Didn't know this, but I have heard that, in the past, Few has allowed guys to go home for Christmas if they are able to. Thanks for the info.

And to Reborn, I couldn't agree more about Rob's thumb. Rob is notorious for underplaying injuries, that is why I woud not use him in contact or in a game prior to X.

Yea, specifically I was a student assistant with UC Davis men's basketball. Again, I'm not sure how the Zags run it, but that was what we did and I heard some teams do. Either way, the Zags will be ready for this game.

EuroZag2010
12-24-2011, 03:00 PM
This from the X board on Frease and his Free throws


Kenny Frease and free throws
When will this jackass learn how to make a free throw? If he makes 1 at the end of regulation we win the game. He went from 48% to 52% to 70% and now hes shooting 29%. Hes gotta be the only big guy that has declined in basketball IQ throughout his 4 years at X. Mack needs to make these guys shoot 500 FTs every practice before they can go home


Originally Posted by HuskyMuskie
This one million times. Do people not realize that our bigs do absolutely NOTHING? Sure, they get rebounds. They are a head taller than everybody else. Our offense is based around our bigs setting picks and letting the guards run around and launch up shots.

If we could get any kind of balanced offense or bigs with motors who know how to move in the paint, and control their bodies, we ARE a dangerous team--no ifs about it.

If Kenny and Trav and whoever the hell else doesn't get going, and fast, we are in for a long, and disappointing season.

http://xavierhoops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20780&page=3

http://xavierhoops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20788

zag67
12-24-2011, 04:18 PM
I cannot even think that this could be considered a "trap" game. They will have their full team back for the first game since the Cinncinati game. As of then they were undefeated against all types of competition. So I would think that we will be considered the underdog (and rightfully so). Their building, Their crowd and full strength. We may be minus our starting center or at least he will not be at full strength. That sounds tough to me.

Zag365
12-24-2011, 05:34 PM
I cannot even think that this could be considered a "trap" game. They will have their full team back for the first game since the Cinncinati game. As of then they were undefeated against all types of competition. So I would think that we will be considered the underdog (and rightfully so). Their building, Their crowd and full strength. We may be minus our starting center or at least he will not be at full strength. That sounds tough to me.

Exactly. We are not going to be playing the short-handed X team that we've seen the past 10 days. That team isn't a barometer for our New Year's date. The team we will face is a legit top 10 team -- playing at home (although I assume their students will still be out on break). I expect the Zags will ready and will not be intimidated. The issue is whether the X starting five will either be over-anxious or rusty from not having played together in a competitive game since the Cincy brawl (don't forget they won that game convincingly).