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zag67
04-24-2011, 09:06 AM
It now looks like we have the core for the team for next year. My question is who do you think will get the major minutes?

Assume no injuries. I think that we can agree on Sacre, Harris and Carter. Now who do you think will be the next 5 or 6 and why. I think that this will allow many of us to define why we think certain players will earn time. I will put my names in later.

BobZag
04-24-2011, 10:13 AM
Meech
Dower
Olynyk
Bell
Pangos

I just think they're the five best remaining players.

zag67
04-24-2011, 06:48 PM
BZ, I agree with the set that you have for those five. I do think that one of the set of MK, MM, or Landry will be there. It will depend on who shows that they are the best to help the team win. Or it might end up by committee, but I do not think that the coaches like this scenario. I do think that the practices would be fun to watch.

krozman
04-24-2011, 07:09 PM
The hairs on the back of my neck state that this is KO's year.

jpwils
04-25-2011, 08:02 AM
I am pretty well convinced that Sacre, Harris, Carter, and Dower will shine and continue to deserve at or near 25-30 plus minutes per game. Of course foul trouble and injuries always play into the mix.

However, I don't totally agree ( yet) with BZ's choices, although these might prove true. Although Pangos and Bell sound wonderful...

Stockton came in too many times last year during conference play and provided heads up plays on both sides of the ball. He was our game-changer much of the time!
To me, Goodson got too many minutes last year and will need to "bring it"
offensively- I am no longer sold on the speed and defense thing with him- we fall behind too many times playing 4 on 5 ball. I like Meech's physicality and
know he is a rising senior...to me , he either earns it with solid play or sits.


Bell and Pangos have to EARN consistent minutes over guys like Stockton and
Keita. I think different situations should dictate who plays and how much.
Being annointed is dangerous but being promoted due to good play is a better precedent. Hart played solid D and made free throws in important situations.

Likewise, if KO plays too soft, Spangler could and should move ahead of him.
We can no longer afford "potential " grabbing minutes over production.

Frankly I'm not sure where or if Landry fits (yet). But if he out -hustles Monninghoff or if Dranginis shoots lights out and the other guys still have that "deer-in-headlites look", then by all means play the freshman!!

We cannot practice on paper or play OOC games on paper. There needs to
be a battle royale for minutes and if the freshmen( any of four) EARN minutes
so be it!

Go Zags!!

zag944
04-25-2011, 09:20 AM
Sacre, Harris, Carter, Dower and Kelly should see about the same minutes.

Meech, Stockton, and Hart will really have to play well to see the same minutes. The time of SG and those three guys is up for grabs among them, and basically everyone else. Bell, Pangos, Meech, and Stockton would be my guess...with MM and MK, along with the reamining recuits not seeing many minutes.

I hope a couple players, one current player included, take a redshirt. We are losing (at least) 3 of our starters at the end of next season, and therell be many more minutes to go around.

cjm720
04-25-2011, 09:48 AM
I see Bell getting close to 20 minutes a game from the season't first tip. Same with Dower.

Sacre, Harris, Carter will also see 25+ (Sacre a little less possibly due to foul trouble, Carter a bit more due to the trust factor).

Meech, Stock, Pangos will battle out for about 35 minutes.

KO close to 20.

Redshirts - Draganis, Spangler

No idea about the 3...MK, MM, Hart, or Guy? I anticipate another transfer and anticipate a 3 guard lineup with the 3 position used more as a defensive and or scoring option based on game to game needs.

cggonzaga
04-25-2011, 09:54 AM
The hairs on the back of my neck state that this is KO's year.


I agree Kroz. I think we will finally see the real Kelly.

Also agree with BZ. Would love to see MM or Landry step up and earn some minutes. I still think we could use another shooter (MM) in the lineup.

TexasZagFan
04-25-2011, 09:58 AM
The hairs on the back of my neck state that this is KO's year.

This post is worthless without pictures... ;)

hooter73
04-25-2011, 10:06 AM
Yeah for even earlier than last year KO hype.


If there are no surprises of somebody making a big jump and going off repeatedly and reliably I think we will see a repeat of last year with lots of everyone till January then a drop off in time to cut the rotation. We have that terrible problem of alot of players with a lot of talent. Deep Deep Deep.

Mr Vulture
04-25-2011, 01:44 PM
Here is how I see things shaking out by the time conference play rolls around. I am sure there will changes from the initial rotation to this rotation but feel pretty confident. I think the PG position will be a rotation depending on matchups. I also think that Carter will rotate between the 2/3 positions. I really expect KO to step up this year which makes minutes for Spangler minimal. I am not convinced that Pangos will play this season but wouldn't be the worst thing to happen...however, I think that we could rotate Meech/Stockton/Bell/Carter at the position if need be.

Starters:
Sacre
Harris
Carter
Bell
Meech

Bench by Projected Minutes:
Dower
Olynyk
Landry
Stockton/Pangos (shared minutes w/Meech)
Hart/MM/MK (spot minutes if on team)

Redshirts:
Draginis
Spangler
Jones (if commits)

Zag 77
04-25-2011, 02:17 PM
I and others figure he will redshirt which makes sense given some of the guys in the logjam ahead of him. Also will benefit from a year to get stronger.

U Zig, I Zag
04-25-2011, 03:09 PM
Here is how I see things shaking out by the time conference play rolls around.

Looks reasonable to me.

Reborn
04-26-2011, 09:53 AM
Looks reasonable to me.

Carter (starter) Bell off the bench, Stockton (starter), Meech/Pangos off the bench, Hart (starter) Landry/Dranginis off the bench, Sacre (starter) Dower off the bench, Harris (starter) Olynyk off the bench .

I believe Stockton will once again get the most minutes at the point. Meech may start like last year, but then again he may not. I think that Meech will play less minutes this year and Pangos will slowly replace him. Stockton was the best passer last year into the post, and he worked extremely well getting the ball to Dower. I expect David to be much better this year, and that is a good omen for the Zags. I think his defense will improve.

As has been common in years past, most of the attention during the off season is on the guys coming into the program. I think Stockton and Hart have been overlooked, but they will be playing the most minutes at the point guard and the small forward positions, especially at the beginning of the year. By the end of the season Dranginis or Landry could end up starting at the 3 (I have not seen them play). Landry sounds pretty good, and by the middle of the year he could be a starter (as Carter was last year).

I think the question still remains, "Can Harris play the 3?" Well, the answer last year was no; so I think if he would like to play the 3, he will need to stay on campus this summer and really practice a lot. His defense will really need to improve (footwork) and he will need a better outside shot from behind the arch.

These answers are merely a guess, and I honestly believe that the coaches don't even know what is going to happen next year. That's what practices in the Fall are all about, and of course all the out of conference games. Will Kelly blow up next year? He could, and that would change some things.

zag67
04-26-2011, 10:12 AM
I think that like you said even the coaches do not know at this time. Early practices and games will help in that area.

I also think that the 3 position is wide open. If MM or MK come on strong, then I think that you might even have Dranginis RS. Also like you stated at the 3, I think that who starts in the beginning may not be the same by the time the conference starts.

hooter73
04-26-2011, 10:35 AM
If Hart is playing a majority of minutes at the 3 again this year we have huge problems. Im a big fan of his but lets be real. I do think Stockton could be big again and maybe even surge with having a year of D1 under him and being healthy. Will not be counting him for down minutes just yet.

U Zig, I Zag
04-26-2011, 10:44 AM
If Hart is playing a majority of minutes at the 3 again this year we have huge problems. Im a big fan of his but lets be real. I do think Stockton could be big again and maybe even surge with having a year of D1 under him and being healthy. Will not be counting him for down minutes just yet.

I root for all the players. But I agree. With all these players coming in, if Hart is getting a bunch of minutes something else is wrong...

cjm720
04-26-2011, 12:43 PM
Hart never received major minutes, more crucial game-deciding minutes with some spot minutes.

I for one will never discount a kid like him or David Stockton, as they prove they belong. Others may be more athletic, more highly touted, etc, but what this past year has shown moreso than any year I can recall is that you have to earn your minutes.

hooter73
04-26-2011, 12:51 PM
It is funny when you box score the entire year and see that KO or Manny had a good chunk of minutes or was only a couple from the top in rebounds or stats per minutes they did play but all we remember is Harts time.

All this early and even late conjecture goes out the window when someone like Dower blows up and Morrisons on us next year.

kitzbuel
04-26-2011, 12:55 PM
... they're the five best remaining players.

What's that mean?

Reborn
04-26-2011, 01:12 PM
My thinking on Mike Hart. First of all we are talking about the #3 position, or small forward (or wing). This is the most wide open position on the team. In my opinion, the Zags will play someone at least 6'5". Hart is 6'5." is athletic, strong, and can play defense and rebound. He has been in the GU system for two years, and therefore knows the system well. My memory of him during his Freshman year is that he was a good shooter from the outside.

Two guys who will be competing against Hart will be Dranginis and Landry (and possibly Jones). There is also Monninghoff and Keita. I did say that Keita is my darkhorse.

I am basing my idea that Hart will start on the fact that he was getting more playing time at the end of the year then both Keita and Monninghoff. I also liked what Krause said about Hart in an interview that was posted here a month or so ago. I'm not saying that he will start, but I am suggesting that he deserves consideration. Landry could win the position half-way through the season like Carter did this year, but until then it could be Hart. Landry does have two years of JUCO experience, but like Carter he will need some time to learn. We will miss Gray's 14 ppg, but I think that more than that, we will miss his defense and leadership. I give Hart the edge here.

Like last year, I think all the guys at the 3 will be given a chance to show what they can do in the OOC games. It will be up to them to prove who will stand up to the challenge and survive.

U Zig, I Zag
04-26-2011, 01:23 PM
What's that mean?

Survivor: The Kennel

That's what it means! ;)

hooter73
04-26-2011, 02:10 PM
i think who started last year and all that pretty well resets at the start of a new year for the most part. Hart grabbing some starts and being the first sub would not be unheard of ala young Sacre starting for his hard work at practice then Josh H playing the game.

deep deep deep team next year.