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Zagdawg
03-13-2011, 09:31 PM
Reading the St Johns fans talking about how missing Kennedy won't be that big of a deal.

I'm thinking it will be a bit more of a deal than they would like to admit.

The emotional hit can be turned positive--but it can also have a negative effect.

Any time a team loses it's leading rebounder (6.1 rbs in last 7 games).....it's significant.

In the past 7 games --he was averaging 12.4 pts per game.

It was mentioned that his 3 pt shooting was good--it may have been best on the team--but he does not really shoot the 3 (only just over 1 per game).

He took 18% of the teams free throws and has 19% of the teams free throw makes (2nd best free throw shooter at 77.8%--team is 71.1%)--without his free throw ability the team is a 69.7%--not much of a change --but every little bit helps.

The teams 2nd leading assist man at 2.0 per game.

I feel the loss of Kennedy will be a bit more than the St. Johns fans expect--one less cog in the St. Johns wheel that our Zags will need to worry about.

They are still a very dangerous and formidable team.

scott257
03-14-2011, 05:29 AM
It would seem impossible that it won't have an impact. He is a good player, he is a senior (leadership lost), and he averaged 32 minutes per game in addition to being their leading rebounder - and he averaged 10.2 points per game.

I would want to be optimistic too but that is a big hit.

jazzdelmar
03-14-2011, 06:48 AM
closest i can figure, it'd be like GU losing gray....not necessarily the best player but a senior leader who can score....

LongIslandZagFan
03-14-2011, 06:49 AM
That team is more than just Kennedy. But that being said, they lose some depth down low without him. I expect GU to crash it down low to Rob, EH and Dower Power early and often. Brownlee will be undersized against KO/EH/RS/SD.

Where SJU scares me more is that the feed off turnovers and force a ton. The boys this year have been very prone to giving the ball up.

Where they don't scare me is from the arc. They are NOT a 3-pt team and don't really have a specialist on that team. So don't expect a McConnell/Foster/insert 3-point specialist type of performance out of anyone on the Redmen.... err... Red Storm.

kitzbuel
03-14-2011, 06:54 AM
So your saying SJU is set up perfectly for someone to have a career 3pt day against GU?

jazzdelmar
03-14-2011, 06:55 AM
w dj out, hardy is about 75% of the challenge for GU. Brownlee can play but that pt guard can do a Sean Singletary-thing on GU unless restrained...he's REALLY good

ZagLawGrad
03-14-2011, 06:57 AM
So your saying SJU is set up perfectly for someone to have a career 3pt day against GU?

This....worries me.

LongIslandZagFan
03-14-2011, 07:01 AM
IMHO, it just isn't that team's style to play that kind of game, period. I have watched a lot of SJU games this year. It just isn't in their playbook. The are more of a slashing/attack the basket kind of team. Gray has more 3pt attempts than the entire team outside of Hardy.

With DJ out... control Hardy you control SJU.

Beer_Engineer
03-14-2011, 07:05 AM
This....worries me.

+1 gazillion

hooter73
03-14-2011, 07:25 AM
Deep may not be the right word but well rounded comes close to SJU. A hit yes but like losing Gray was to us we rallied big. Its a good draw for us if we are on our game. Have a habit of coming out of a week of rest and not playing to potential though. If we can get through this game the BYU match up may be one for the books.

Anyone want to guess at how many charges Stockton will set himself up to take in this game?

jazzdelmar
03-14-2011, 07:30 AM
With DJ out... control Hardy you control SJU.


lizf- get your own material, willya......i think we can win it

webspinnre
03-14-2011, 07:34 AM
They are more of a slashing/attack the basket kind of team.

This is absolutely true. This isn't an outside jump shooting team (which is good news for us). My only concern is that we've yet to face anything like their pressure, and seeing how our guards handle that will likely be the key (along with our ability to feed the post and get Rob/Sam/Elias their looks).

Zagdawg
03-14-2011, 07:40 AM
With all of the drives to the basket --Over/under on how many blocks Rob gets in this game +/-4 (hopefully he stays out of foul trouble).

VaBeachZAG
03-14-2011, 07:50 AM
This game can be so unpredictable, especially at tourny time. The consensus is that SJU will not be raining 3's. As I recall, the same was said going into the FSU game last year, yet, in the second half they started throwing up a ton of 3's, and made a of them, making the game closer than it might have been.

paz
03-14-2011, 07:59 AM
With all of the drives to the basket --Over/under on how many blocks Rob gets in this game +/-4 (hopefully he stays out of foul trouble).

Just wait until Malik Boothe (5'9") drives to the hole. You're going to see blocked shots with both feet on the ground.

Losing Kennedy's versatility is tough on us. We're either going to go very big--Evans & Burrell up front together, and Brownlee taking on a point forward role; or very small--Brownlee at PF with Boothe/Hardy/Horne attacking the paint on every possession.

SJUBall
03-14-2011, 07:59 AM
DJ Kennedy is a big loss. He is an integral part of the team. Make no bones about it, SJU is a much better team with DJ in the lineup as he is Mr. Versatility. The good part is, when we lost DJ, we got a double-double against Syracuse from Sean Evans with 11pts 12 rebs. We also have talented freshman Dwayne Polee who dropped 16 points on St. Marys his first game of the year. I really with we had DJ back, but we have Hardy, Brownlee and Horne who are all double digit scorers, and Burrell in the middle with Evans who are pretty tough.

Baldwinzag
03-14-2011, 08:10 AM
We also have talented freshman Dwayne Polee who dropped 16 points on St. Marys his first game of the year.

Wait, why does Polee's name ring a bell? Weren't we recruiting him pretty hard at one point? Hmmm...

LongIslandZagFan
03-14-2011, 08:13 AM
Using Whatifsports, I simulated 20 games with SJU and the Zags on a neutral court. Zags won 14 of them... that included DJ Kennedy in the lineup.

Just another thing to think about.

Just re-ran them without DJ... Zags went 16-4

Baldwinzag
03-14-2011, 08:21 AM
St John's is losing its leading rebounder(5.6 rpg), steals guy (2.0 spg), 2nd in assists (2.0 apg), and 3rd leading scorer (10.5 ppg).

It will definitely effect them, yet how much is the question...

Coach Lavin was recently quoted as saying, "Sometimes a fallen comrade can motivate a team towards a big run in the Tournament."

Hard to argue with his statement as evidenced by LMU and many others since then...

hooter73
03-14-2011, 08:47 AM
Just wait until Malik Boothe (5'9") drives to the hole. You're going to see blocked shots with both feet on the ground.


lol we used to call ours Meech. Going under the basket to get stuffed by bigs, driving too far and getting stuck or picking up his dribble WAY too early were his signatures last year. Hes done a lot better with those this year though.

paz
03-14-2011, 09:50 AM
lol we used to call ours Meech. Going under the basket to get stuffed by bigs, driving too far and getting stuck or picking up his dribble WAY too early were his signatures last year. Hes done a lot better with those this year though.

:lmao:

Sounds like Boothe and Meech have a lot to talk about.

Reborn
03-14-2011, 10:03 AM
Of Course Kennedy will be missed. He's a very, very good player, and before this year was their leading scorer. He accepted a new role on this year's team for the good of the team. St. John's will be tough without him that's for sure as they showed against Syracuse.

DixieZag
03-14-2011, 10:06 AM
Usually having a middle BCS school is to our advantage b/c they assume they are on their way to the second round - - but SJU is different, they have so many seniors, seniors that have never gone to the tournament (good in that they do not have the experience, bad in that they are coming in juiced) seniors that just lost one of their best teamates and will rally around the cause.

All of this negates any "overlooking" that usually helps us some. They scare me.

I wonder how little Stocks will do against a real physical team? Early on he would be a liability - - but he has picked up a few new tricks.

hooter73
03-14-2011, 10:20 AM
Honestly I think when Stockton comes into the game is when we will hit our stride. Meech will do his thing for the first few minutes. Push the ball, get one or two shots up but Stockton's entry passes will be what get our bigs into it. His defense I think is really underrated and the intangibles like setting himself up against a driving minded SJU team are going to make or break it for him in this match up.

And hes a tuff little bugger to boot. Not worried about him getting pushed around at all. Stupid fouls off screens are his downfall against physical teams.

Beer_Engineer
03-14-2011, 12:22 PM
:lmao:

Sounds like Boothe and Meech have a lot to talk about.

HAHA, great, I finally got used to one PG not dribbling tot eh key and stopping, now we have two to watch!