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Kong-Kool-Aid
02-19-2011, 08:29 PM
SMC did us no favors and it seems that no matter what, the WCC will be a 1 bid conference.

After all of the talk at the start of the year (3 bids!) it is a little disappointing that we could not have more legit challengers this year.

Hello LMU?

Honestly I thought the WCC was on the upswing in terms of getting some respect and becoming an upper echelon mid-major conference (is there even such thing?)

After a few years of multi bids, we're only getting 1.
Is this a down year for the conference or just clear indication that it's really not getting any better?

Our conference it our biggest problem when recruiting talent, I just wish they could perform better. (At least BYU should help next year right?)

Thoughts?

GoZags
02-19-2011, 08:36 PM
Don't be afraid to follow the pundits.

Jerry Palm (collegerpi.com) had the Zags in a/o this morning.

Joe Lunardi has the Zags in as an at large. Tune into ESPNU right now if you'd like. Lunardi is on and will get to GU again in a bit. But 20 minutes ago on ESPN they took 10 teams for 6 at large spots -- and GU made his cut.

The sky isn't falling (although winning out would be nice).

DixieZag
02-19-2011, 08:37 PM
I asked the question during the game, why it is that USF and SCU can come in and play better than Xavier or Okie State and yet they can't beat a team like UC-Irvine in the OOC to save their lives - - it is just unbelievable.

We will not get multi bids until the teams start playing better OOC, SMC did that (though St. Johns was a while ago and USD is their only bad loss) and Portland did that, but somehow a team like SCU or USF can beat us but not Cal-State Northridge or some teams I have never heard of.

Kong-Kool-Aid
02-19-2011, 08:45 PM
Don't be afraid to follow the pundits.

Jerry Palm (collegerpi.com) had the Zags in a/o this morning.

Joe Lunardi has the Zags in as an at large. Tune into ESPNU right now if you'd like. Lunardi is on and will get to GU again in a bit. But 20 minutes ago on ESPN they took 10 teams for 6 at large spots -- and GU made his cut.

The sky isn't falling (although winning out would be nice).


It's not that I don't trust the pundits, if we don't win out though that means we'll have another bad loss on our record and I can't imagine we'll stay in.

Anyway, I have confidence we'll win out and go to the NCAA, I'm just all in all disappointed in this seemingly weak conference which does us absolutely no favors.

I am also at a loss how the same teams which play us so well seem to suck against Salt and Pepper State.

thickman1
02-19-2011, 08:57 PM
Joe had the WCC with two bids.

MDABE80
02-19-2011, 09:07 PM
SMC and GU. I knew it. Lots of losses by other teams going on and will go on before selection sunday. I don't think we can afford another loss though. Key is that we show the committee that we've mended our ways.

DixieZag
02-19-2011, 09:10 PM
Seems pretty simple to me, we have to beat St. Mary's one out of the two remaining and be in the championship game with them. If we lose to St. Mary's and get beat in the championship by them or another team, we are not in, at least I don't think so. If we lose to them on Thurs. we have to beat them in the finals, if we beat them Thurs and USD and lose in the finals, then maybe we get a gift.

Das Zagger
02-19-2011, 09:13 PM
SMC did us no favors and it seems that no matter what, the WCC will be a 1 bid conference.

After all of the talk at the start of the year (3 bids!) it is a little disappointing that we could not have more legit challengers this year.

Hello LMU?

Honestly I thought the WCC was on the upswing in terms of getting some respect and becoming an upper echelon mid-major conference (is there even such thing?)

After a few years of multi bids, we're only getting 1.
Is this a down year for the conference or just clear indication that it's really not getting any better?

Our conference it our biggest problem when recruiting talent, I just wish they could perform better. (At least BYU should help next year right?)

Thoughts?

If SMC wins out, they'll get a bit regardless of winning the tourney.

If GU wins out, we'll get a bid regardless of winning the tourney.

I've seen dumpster fires that look better than LMU.

MJ777
02-19-2011, 09:14 PM
Seems pretty simple to me, we have to beat St. Mary's one out of the two remaining and be in the championship game with them. If we lose to St. Mary's and get beat in the championship by them or another team, we are not in, at least I don't think so. If we lose to them on Thurs. we have to beat them in the finals, if we beat them Thurs and USD and lose in the finals, then maybe we get a gift.

It might be the strong Kool Aid or the weak bubble, but I agree with your assessment.

CaliforniaZaggin'
02-19-2011, 09:44 PM
If it's not the Zags, then I really don't care about any team either making or not making the tournament.

siliconzag
02-19-2011, 10:33 PM
Should be in and so should the Zags. What tonight's game against the Aggies showed is that they are vulnerable. The Zag's coaches best study the tapes. In the second half the Aggies made a lot of defensive adjustments and extended their defense. They pounded the ball inside and got the Maries into foul trouble. That is a great blueprint. If ever there was a team that we need to play effective defense against in order to prevail, it would be St. Mary's. They live by the three, and as USD showed, they die by it. Zags outisde game is improving, if only incrementally, and this opens opportunities. The St. Mary's bench is not deep, and we need to exploit that by getting their bigs into foul trouble. Defense is the key, as Coach Izzo said on Game day today. Doesn't matter what sport, if you can't defend, you don't advance. In some ways, our offensive woes provide a unique opportunity for the Zags to excel at something they never have: defense.

One more thing, Utah State is a good team, no matter what the pundits say. They gave BYU a close game, and they also showed a lot of poise in that bandbox in Moraga. Stu is a very good coach. It would do my heart good to see the Zags pull the hat trick.

Finally, regarding the tournament: Remember there are more teams this year than ever before, barring a complete breakdown by either the Zags or the Maries, both should make the dance. How far they will go, that is the real question. Unless the Zags learn to defend, they will be done early on. St. Mary's will lose to the first team that plays good perimeter defense and pounds the ball inside.

AK457
02-19-2011, 11:42 PM
i prefer the route of gonzaga beating a downtrodden st mary's team that's blown 2 games in a row and then hopefully again in vegas to the gonzaga getting in because of an iffy auto bid

gu03alum
02-20-2011, 04:21 AM
If it's not the Zags, then I really don't care about any team either making or not making the tournament.

Every SMC loss makes me happy. I will shed no tears if they don't win another game.

TexasZagFan
02-20-2011, 05:45 AM
Should be in and so should the Zags. What tonight's game against the Aggies showed is that they are vulnerable. The Zag's coaches best study the tapes. In the second half the Aggies made a lot of defensive adjustments and extended their defense. They pounded the ball inside and got the Maries into foul trouble. That is a great blueprint. If ever there was a team that we need to play effective defense against in order to prevail, it would be St. Mary's. They live by the three, and as USD showed, they die by it. Zags outisde game is improving, if only incrementally, and this opens opportunities. The St. Mary's bench is not deep, and we need to exploit that by getting their bigs into foul trouble. Defense is the key, as Coach Izzo said on Game day today. Doesn't matter what sport, if you can't defend, you don't advance. In some ways, our offensive woes provide a unique opportunity for the Zags to excel at something they never have: defense.

One more thing, Utah State is a good team, no matter what the pundits say. They gave BYU a close game, and they also showed a lot of poise in that bandbox in Moraga. Stu is a very good coach. It would do my heart good to see the Zags pull the hat trick.

Finally, regarding the tournament: Remember there are more teams this year than ever before, barring a complete breakdown by either the Zags or the Maries, both should make the dance. How far they will go, that is the real question. Unless the Zags learn to defend, they will be done early on. St. Mary's will lose to the first team that plays good perimeter defense and pounds the ball inside.

+1, sili, as always.

I saw a quote in Meehan's column from last night's game that raised my spirits. Had to do with not succumbing to the temptation to help out on defense, and allowing an easier 3 pointer.

We all know that SMC is unable to win the game in the paint. Guard the perimeter, pick up their guards at 30 feet, make them uncomfortable.

O/T, my grandson just hit 5 months and is doing great. I had the best Super Bowl weekend of all. While the wife and kids were doing the NFL experience, I was babysitting. We had a great time!

1973Zag
02-20-2011, 06:28 AM
It certainly can't hurt for the committee to see us easily avenge 2 of our disappointing losses. One more would show that we are still the best in the WCC.

Gonzdb8
02-20-2011, 07:14 AM
i still don't understand the argument that st. marys should be in. how many times are we going to have to listen to the "how close they came to beating BYU" argument as justification for an at large? they have NO quality wins. they got blown out by sdsu, embarrassed by the worst team in our league, and the closest they can come to a quality win is against us. yes, and lets be honest, that isn't as "quality" as its been in the past. i'll concede they have a lot of wins but none will reach the level of "quality" in the committees eyes. for the sake of the conference i would love to see the WCC get 2 bids (just once i'd like to see revenue sharing benefit us) but i just don't see it happening. they still have a respectable RPI i suppose, but more than anything that just exposes the flaws with RPI (too much weight on WL, not enough on quality of opponent). so i hope they make it, but it would be a surprise.

kitzbuel
02-20-2011, 08:27 AM
+1, sili, as always.

I saw a quote in Meehan's column from last night's game that raised my spirits. Had to do with not succumbing to the temptation to help out on defense, and allowing an easier 3 pointer.

We all know that SMC is unable to win the game in the paint. Guard the perimeter, pick up their guards at 30 feet, make them uncomfortable.

O/T, my grandson just hit 5 months and is doing great. I had the best Super Bowl weekend of all. While the wife and kids were doing the NFL experience, I was babysitting. We had a great time!


Zags have enough depth in the middle to absorb a few fouls that occur from not helping. Rob, Sam and Kelly are all relatively quick for their size and can patrol the middle on their own. Arop and Moenninghof also give a little additional minutes and length if needed.

Butler Guy
02-20-2011, 08:35 AM
Jerry Palm is an insufferable ###### bag.

Completely independent of GU's at-large profile, just follow the guy's Twitter timeline for a while. Not only is he clearly a homer about certain things (he absolutely refuses to give credit to Notre Dame, and to a lesser extent, Butler because he's a Purdue honk), he just isn't very insightful or logical.

Which of course, wouldnt be an issue, many people are like that. Palm just stands in front of a megaphone and broadcasts it.

U Zig, I Zag
02-20-2011, 02:26 PM
If it's not the Zags, then I really don't care about any team either making or not making the tournament.

Bingo. The others are icing.

I half-smiled, half-frowned (the Joker?) last night during the Utah State game. Part of me was happy that SMC was exposed a bit (hope we can take the same advantages against them as Utah St did) and might be on their heels. Better for us.

Sad a bit that the WCC didn't represent on the big stage as well as we (SMC in this case) should. Of course, GU has made the WCC look pretty stinking bad this year on more than a few occasions.

FieldHouseFishHouse
02-20-2011, 06:11 PM
i still don't understand the argument that st. marys should be in. how many times are we going to have to listen to the "how close they came to beating BYU" argument as justification for an at large? they have NO quality wins. they got blown out by sdsu, embarrassed by the worst team in our league, and the closest they can come to a quality win is against us. yes, and lets be honest, that isn't as "quality" as its been in the past. i'll concede they have a lot of wins but none will reach the level of "quality" in the committees eyes. for the sake of the conference i would love to see the WCC get 2 bids (just once i'd like to see revenue sharing benefit us) but i just don't see it happening. they still have a respectable RPI i suppose, but more than anything that just exposes the flaws with RPI (too much weight on WL, not enough on quality of opponent). so i hope they make it, but it would be a surprise.

Check out St John's.
17-9 with the #1 SOS.
Wins over Duke, UCONN, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Pitt and Georgetown.

SMC's win over St. John's is arguably better than any of the Zag's wins.

Both SMC and GU need to win out all the way to the WCC title game to get an at-large. So they need to split their last two games for both to make the tourney. My two cents.

Gonzdb8
02-21-2011, 06:26 AM
Check out St John's.
17-9 with the #1 SOS.
Wins over Duke, UCONN, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Pitt and Georgetown.

SMC's win over St. John's is arguably better than any of the Zag's wins.

Both SMC and GU need to win out all the way to the WCC title game to get an at-large. So they need to split their last two games for both to make the tourney. My two cents.

i stand corrected. for some reason i was thinking it was st. joes, not st. johns they beat earlier in the season. that one has turned into a quality win since st. johns got to conference play. good thing the bubble is a lot weaker this year. but i'm still reluctant to say SMC is in. hopefully our zags can win the tourney so my idea can be tested :-)

FieldHouseFishHouse
02-21-2011, 11:03 AM
i stand corrected. for some reason i was thinking it was st. joes, not st. johns they beat earlier in the season. that one has turned into a quality win since st. johns got to conference play. good thing the bubble is a lot weaker this year. but i'm still reluctant to say SMC is in. hopefully our zags can win the tourney so my idea can be tested :-)

I was in Berkeley when Lavin and St. Johns came to the Bay Area to play SMC, first game of the season. The team was handing out lunch in People's Park. I remember thinking that they were in for a rude awakening in Moraga.

SMC sure got St. John's at the right time. They have found their stride in Big East play.

Jakester425
02-21-2011, 01:35 PM
Jerry Palm is an insufferable ###### bag.

Completely independent of GU's at-large profile, just follow the guy's Twitter timeline for a while. Not only is he clearly a homer about certain things (he absolutely refuses to give credit to Notre Dame, and to a lesser extent, Butler because he's a Purdue honk), he just isn't very insightful or logical.

Which of course, wouldnt be an issue, many people are like that. Palm just stands in front of a megaphone and broadcasts it.

+1

He was just on the Ian Furness show. The funny thing was I turned it on mid way through the interview and while listening I asked myself,"who is this idiot talking head". Than at the end of the call Ian says,"Thanks Jerry Palm" :lmao: