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HillBillyZag
02-05-2011, 09:48 AM
No basketball fan has to be told how great the SEC, ACC , Big East, Big numeral whatever ?? Confferences are in hoops . But at the same time why should a team that finishes in the second division of their particular league be rewarded with a chance to compete for the National Championship ? If you can tell me why a 13-9 team who finishes 6th in a twelve team league is more deserving of an at large bid than a 17-5 runner up in the WCC, WAC, MVC, , Colonial , Patriot , or any other legitimite Div1 league other than dollars and cents ? I will streak McCarthey's steps at noon on the fourth of July and give you and hour to draw a crowd , and that won't be a pretty sight .To be even somewhat fair , NO conference should be allowed to send more than five teams to the dance . If you arn't good enough to finish better than fifth in your own Conference than you sure don't deserve a shot at a National Title . What do you think ?

Bogozags
02-05-2011, 10:03 AM
I've always believe that if you can't finish above 500 in your conference, then you don't deserve to play in the post season, regardless of the tournament.

Bilas always says that it doesn't matter where you finish in conference, regarding the BCS schools, they should still be given more consideration than any non-BCS team!

I find his argument lacking and believe GU, SMC or Portland would be able to compete with the P-10 or in the ACC...IMO...

john montana
02-05-2011, 10:10 AM
That would mean Georgetown and Connecticut (both lower than fifth in big east standings) would be out of the tournament.

ZagsObserver
02-05-2011, 10:24 AM
I don't agree. There will be years when a particular conference is weak, and there will be years when a particular conference is strong. It's unfair to penalize a team simply because their conference is very strong that particular year.

U Zig, I Zag
02-05-2011, 10:29 AM
Collectively, there is a huge disparity between the BCS leagues and the non-BCS leagues. We can pick and choose certain battles and claim one thing or another to make a point about how it's all unfair - but really, take the WCC for instance, other than GU most of the WCC teams would get pummeled by BigEast schools. Finesse is fine, when you meet now and again, probably early in the season and you can 'suprise' a team with clever outside shooting. But an entire league season that physical would wear out a lot of WCC teams.

I think GU stands the best chance, based soley on the fact that we have more 'east coast' type players. A little bigger, little faster. Our issue, this year anyway, is that we can't bring it all together.

take JM's proposal, Uconn/GU are probably better than WCC #2 on down (and head to head probably could handle #1 in a series).

There is benefit to playing in a tougher conference and the reward is there, if you are decent.

cbbfanatic
02-05-2011, 10:34 AM
disagree entirely.

the best teams should be playing in the tournament. the majority of the best teams reside in the best conferences. mid majors get plenty of at larges these days. to limit the bids to the big conferences wouldnt be leveling the playing field at all - it would be needlessly tampering with competition. we dont need this type of athletic socialism.

plus, if you limit a conference like the BE to 5, you're going to have to start taking 3rd, maybe 4th place type teams from conferences like the mwc, a10, even maybe down to the wcc. no way anyone can tell me that the 4th team from those conferences is better than the 6th from the big east.

GUDan07
02-05-2011, 10:35 AM
I completely disagree. Part of the beauty of the NCAA tournament is that it allows for the best teams to be admitted to the dance while still allowing for the dark horse to make it via an automatic bid. The Big East has 16 teams in it and in many years, the majority of those teams are among the best in the country and capable of a strong tournament run. In the current format, the best teams should have their tickets punched regardless of what conference they play in. Now, if you would like to make the argument that there is preference given to BCS teams and that their image is inflated as a result, thats another issue. However, to argue that you should not include the best teams in the country simply because they play in a good conference is just as criminal as preventing a worthy team from competing because they play in a non-BCS conference.

GUDan07
02-05-2011, 10:38 AM
I find his argument lacking and believe GU, SMC or Portland would be able to compete with the P-10 or in the ACC...IMO...

This year perhaps, because the Pac-10 and ACC are way down and the WCC has produced 3 solid teams. In most years, the talent disparity between the top three teams in the ACC and the top 3 in the WCC is much larger.

NEC26
02-05-2011, 10:39 AM
Wouldn't put it at 5 per say but .500 should be a requirement. You can't be .500 in conference you shouldn't be in the dance.

GUDan07
02-05-2011, 10:41 AM
Wouldn't put it at 5 per say but .500 should be a requirement. You can't be .500 in conference you shouldn't be in the dance.

Would you apply that requirement to auto-bids?

NEC26
02-05-2011, 10:44 AM
Would you apply that requirement to auto-bids?

If you have requirements on auto bids that would mean it wasn't an auto bid so no I guess.
A team who can't reach .500 in conference had its chances and failed and pretty badly honestly. No one should be getting invites when they can't even reach .500.

cbbfanatic
02-05-2011, 10:54 AM
This year perhaps, because the Pac-10 and ACC are way down and the WCC has produced 3 solid teams. In most years, the talent disparity between the top three teams in the ACC and the top 3 in the WCC is much larger.

lets not call portland solid quite yet. they havent beaten anyone (outside of st marys, which is nowhere near enough to legitimize a team).

its a little hard to even call gu and smc "solid" at this point. neither are lock at large teams this year.

the acc and pac ten are way down, but i still wouldnt like the chances of any wcc team to come in top 4 in those conferences.

GUDan07
02-05-2011, 10:55 AM
If you have requirements on auto bids that would mean it wasn't an auto bid so no I guess.
A team who can't reach .500 in conference had its chances and failed and pretty badly honestly. No one should be getting invites when they can't even reach .500.

Outside of auto-bids, when do you see a sub .500 team making the tournament?

NEC26
02-05-2011, 10:57 AM
Outside of auto-bids, when do you see a sub .500 team making the tournament?

Sub .500 in conference. The thread was about placing fifth or lower in conference. I stated that I didn't think that was a good barometer but being .500 or better should be.

HillBillyZag
02-05-2011, 11:06 AM
Just for discussions sake ? , if such a rule were implemented ?, would Mid-majors get a larger portion of the good players who gravitate to Tobacco Road and the Big Whatever's lesser schools because they are an almost sure bet to get to the dance if they win over a dozen games and have some good in Conference road wins wins ? And ?, Even if they keep no limit on the number of teams from one Conference invited , should both the regular season and Conference Tournament winners in each Conference get an automatic bid ? I would say yes . the regular season Title and the Tournament Crown have to be rewarded ?

zag buddy
02-05-2011, 11:26 AM
It would be interesting to see the correlation between historical ncaa teams measured by population density and making the tourny. does money rule.

kitzbuel
02-05-2011, 11:55 AM
Just for discussions sake ? , if such a rule were implemented ?, would Mid-majors get a larger portion of the good players who gravitate to Tobacco Road and the Big Whatever's lesser schools because they are an almost sure bet to get to the dance if they win over a dozen games and have some good in Conference road wins wins ? And ?, Even if they keep no limit on the number of teams from one Conference invited , should both the regular season and Conference Tournament winners in each Conference get an automatic bid ? I would say yes . the regular season Title and the Tournament Crown have to be rewarded ?

Could well be which in itself would make the rule unfair. It would put non-competitive big 6 schools at a disadvantage for recruiting that they might not be able to overcome.

whatazag
02-05-2011, 12:07 PM
I thought this thread was going to be about the WCC officials.

webspinnre
02-05-2011, 12:47 PM
I'm definitely a believer in the idea that if a team can't go .500 in conference they shouldn't be able to receive an auto-bid.