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ZagNative
05-11-2010, 06:48 AM
From FoxSports (http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/college-basketball-preseason-top-25-051010):
12. GONZAGA



Record: 27-7 (second round of the NCAA tournament)
Lose: Matt Bouldin
Key Returnees: Steven Gray, Robert Sacre, Elias Harris, Demetri Goodson, Kelly Olynyk, Mangisto Arop
Newcomers: Keegan Hyland


It won’t be easy to replace Bouldin, but the ‘Zags still have plenty to keep them atop the WCC and be a fixture in the Top 25. Gray and Goodson are a talented and experienced backcourt, while Harris and Sacre give Mark Few & Co. a front-line tandem that matches up with just about anyone.

gozagswoohoo
05-11-2010, 06:57 AM
They leaved off Carter, and no mention of Dower.




SECRET WEAPONS!!!








hmm...maybe it's just me, but it seems like the word 'secret' should be spelled like this---- 'secrete'. Nevermind. Thats when juice comes out of something...or something like that.

bullzag23
05-11-2010, 07:12 AM
They leaved off Carter, and no mention of Dower.




SECRET WEAPONS!!!








hmm...maybe it's just me, but it seems like the word 'secret' should be spelled like this---- 'secrete'. Nevermind. Thats when juice comes out of something...or something like that.
:lmao:

I think it's just you Woohoo.

PS- They 'leaved' off Carter and Dower? :p

gozagswoohoo
05-11-2010, 07:17 AM
PS- They 'leaved' off Carter and Dower? :p

That is how we do 'shorthand' in Missouri.

ZagNative
05-11-2010, 07:25 AM
I don't usually think of Washington Times (http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/year-round-march-madness/2010/may/10/2010-2011-pre-season-top-25/) for hoops news, but they've got a way-too-early top 25 as well:
24. Gonzaga
The Zags only lose one starter but Bouldin was such a huge part of their success due to both his play and leadership. Steven Gray will have to step into that role with Elias Harris being his wingman. Still, they should be one of the elite “mid-majors” once again.

Projected Depth Chart
C: Robert Sacre (Jr)/Sam Dower (Fr)
F: Elias Harris (So)/Kelly Olynyk (So)
G/F: Bol Kong (Jr)/Mangisto Arop (So)
G: Steven Gray (Sr)/ Keegan Hyland (Fr)
PG: Demetri Goodson (Jr)/Marquise Carter (Jr)

Gone: G-Matt Bouldin, C-Will Foster, G-Grant Gibbs (transfer). PG-G.J. Vilarino (transfer)

ZagNative
05-11-2010, 07:35 AM
Here's another Preseason Top 25, from Rush the Court (http://rushthecourt.net/2010/05/10/post-deadline-2010-11-top-25/):
15. Gonzaga

Starting Lineup: G Demetri Goodson, G Stephen Gray, F Elias Harris, F Kelly Olynyk, C Robert Sacre

Matt Bouldin was fantastic last season, but I don’t foresee his absence derailing such a steady program. It’s scary to think how good Elias Harris will be with a summer to improve. Remember his 31/13 in a win at Saint Mary’s? You could be seeing plenty more performances at that level from the ultra-skilled German. It wouldn’t stun me if Harris is a lottery pick next summer. I’ll be honest, I expected a lot more from Demetri Goodson after bursting onto the scene with his game-winning floater against Western Kentucky last March. 1.8 APG and 14% from three is abominable for a starting point guard on a team with this much talent. Now he doesn’t have Bouldin as a crutch, either. Stephen Gray is so much more than a three-point specialist, but he needs to shoot better from outside this season. Robert Sacre emerging as a legitimate post presence takes a lot of pressure off Gray to produce.

Psychozag
05-11-2010, 07:39 AM
LMU and Saint Mary's both mentioned in the "those to watch" list. Definitely will be GU and those two atop the WCC this year.

NotoriousZ
05-11-2010, 10:26 AM
Here's another Preseason Top 25, from Rush the Court: Quote:

15. Gonzaga

Starting Lineup: G Demetri Goodson, G Stephen Gray, F Elias Harris, F Kelly Olynyk, C Robert Sacre

Matt Bouldin was fantastic last season, but I don’t foresee his absence derailing such a steady program. It’s scary to think how good Elias Harris will be with a summer to improve. Remember his 31/13 in a win at Saint Mary’s? You could be seeing plenty more performances at that level from the ultra-skilled German. It wouldn’t stun me if Harris is a lottery pick next summer. I’ll be honest, I expected a lot more from Demetri Goodson after bursting onto the scene with his game-winning floater against Western Kentucky last March. 1.8 APG and 14% from three is abominable for a starting point guard on a team with this much talent. Now he doesn’t have Bouldin as a crutch, either. Stephen Gray is so much more than a three-point specialist, but he needs to shoot better from outside this season. Robert Sacre emerging as a legitimate post presence takes a lot of pressure off Gray to produce.


This is Steven's senior year, you'd think they could spell his name correctly. But anyway, I think that with all of the talent on this team we should be a preseason top 10, and this could be the year that we get in the Final Four. Steven, Manny, Harris, and Sacre will have BIG seasons, and I'd say that the rest of the team is just incredible to have as a supporting cast. One or two will most likely have a surprise breakout season for us (Kelly, Dower, Kong, Hyland, Carter, ...Meech?) and I can't wait to watch it all unfold.

BobZag
05-11-2010, 10:37 AM
Top-10, or near it, is about right, imo.

cggonzaga
05-11-2010, 11:07 AM
If Meech makes the same improvement Pargo did from his sophomore to junior year then I say top 7. If he doesn't then just outside the top 10. I'm very interested to see Carter play and what kind of impact he'll have on this year's team. He's the darkhorse in how the season plays out in my opinion. We have great talent across the board and if our pgs step up...look out!

ZagNative
05-11-2010, 11:13 AM
Wow. The hype train leaves the station early this year. Hoping y'all are right, but I'm just happy to wait and see ...

MDABE80
05-11-2010, 11:15 AM
Agree...Top-15 anyway. I'd move Manny to the front of the class. Sam becomes a force as a 4-5. Elias as a 3-4. Gray made his bones as a super FT and 3 pt shooter. Hope he gets back to those....3 pt shooting for sure.

Boy...could we use a PG!! New kids might be good but looking at APG and 3 pt shooting makes me nervous. Meech needs a lot of work! FT's too. Hope Few found a dandy. We need one.

These polls will be sprouting over the next few months...as a post draft addendum. Now we'll have a chance to see where the dust settles. Some left, some stayed in school. The fun begins. We'll be there....last year's team was a surprise because of all the player losses and new inexperienced additions. With a full year under thir belts and a full Summer to work together, the Zags should be improved. Matt's going to be missed plenty even though he tailed off due to injury....quite a bit more than we knew about.

ridgebackzag
05-11-2010, 11:41 AM
Andy Katz (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=5179956) has changed his perspective on the Zags since the dance. He's got us at #9 now.


9. Gonzaga: The Bulldogs are a bit like Villanova. When you digest that they lost Matt Bouldin, you assume they've lost their star and will fade. But the Zags do return a star in the making in Elias Harris. He should be the more featured player this season, and given room to shine, will produce. If Steven Gray can be more consistent on the perimeter, Demetri Goodson can be more consistent as a lead guard and Robert Sacre can be a force inside, Gonzaga will be the top team in the West -- again.

Edit: Duke is going to be scary good next year. Losing Sheyer and a lackluster Zoubek, only to bring in Kyrie Irving and a tranfer in Seth Curry.

ZagNative
05-11-2010, 04:43 PM
Andy Katz and Doug Gottlieb have a podcast (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd=1#/podcenter/?id=5179856&autoplay=1&callsign=ESPNRADIO), where Katz runs his thoughts past Gottlieb about the Top 25 and Gottlieb chips in his opinion. It runs for a while, but it's fun to listen to, especially as they haggle over who should be in or out and where they should be ranked. Interesting for me: Little discussion of the Zags, as if it's a given the Zags will be solidly inside the top 25, whereas, at the end of their interview, they were talking about Butler not making the cut.

Now I have to look at Andy's published Top 25 to see how it all came out in print.

Edited to add: Butler's in at #20.

MDABE80
05-11-2010, 06:04 PM
Butler might not. I hope they do but Gordon to leave is huge. Howard will stick around....the rest too. 3 other starters returning and 1 seriously good reserve back should get them in. Not much room for injury though.

gozagswoohoo
05-12-2010, 06:21 AM
Gonzaga secret weapons.

Gonzaga secretes weapons.

Same thing, isn't it? Our opponents won't know what "secret weapons Gonzaga secretes" until it is too late. Carter to Dower for the "and 1" will be slapped in their faces until they can't see straight!!! Then Gray to Sacre for the slam dunk will add insult to injury.

POST OF THE MONTH

Gonzdb8
05-12-2010, 07:05 AM
wow....are we really 16 posts deep in a thread about our pre season ranking without someone posting about how much they hate pre season polls and how they wish we weren't ranked? somebody is slackin'!

theres a lot of "ifs" in the katz justification for our ranking. but i agree, If SG can be more consistent on the perimeter, if meech can be more consistent as a lead guard and if Robert Sacre can be a force inside the we could easily be the top team in the West and deserving of a top 10 ranking. also, as much as i can't stand UW i'm glad katz didn't sleep on them. if terrence jones actually honors his commitment they could be really good next year.

zombienation
05-12-2010, 08:30 AM
Fran Fraschilla looked over Andy Katz's top 25 and made his own judgment, posting this to ESPN this morning
Fran Fraschilla: Taking a red pen to my colleague's (Andy Katz) top 25 (http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog?name=ncbexperts&id=5182826)


Gonzaga

Andy's Take: Gonzaga at No. 9
My Take: Too high

Don't worry, Zags fans. Your team will be back at its customary place at the top of the West Coast Conference this season, especially with rivals Portland and Saint Mary's depleted by graduation. Elias Harris and Robert Sacre certainly will dominate conference opponents, but in order to justify a high ranking, guard play will be critical for Mark Few's club. Ultimately, the loss of Matt Bouldin will be huge, especially since returning backcourt mates Steven Gray and Demetri Goodson have been more up-and-down than a roller coaster at Six Flags. This is a top-25 team for sure, but I think top-10 is too high.

ZagNative
05-12-2010, 09:25 AM
I agree with Fran. #9 is too high, IMO.

Other Voices Heard:

Luke Winn at Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/luke_winn/05/10/power.rankings.1/index.html) doesn't have us in his Power Rankings (Top 16), bringing us in at 21, just ahead of the Huskies at 22.

Gary Parrish at CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/13382351/top-25-and-one-a-spartan-postdeadline-approach)
11. Gonzaga: Elias Harris is one of the few likely first-round picks who returned to school. He'll join Steven Gray, Robert Sacre and Demetri Goodson in helping Mark Few claim another WCC title.
MSNBC Beyond the Arc (http://beyondthearc.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/11/2307077.aspx)
13. Gonzaga

Record: 27-7
Key returnees: Steven Gray, Robert Sacre, Elias Harris, Demetri Goodson, Kelly Olynyk, Bol Kong, Mangisto Arop
Key losses: Matt Bouldin
Newcomers: Keegan Hyland

Bouldin, the WCC player of the year is gone, but there shouldn’t be a significant dropoff. Goodson can run the point and Gray should pick up the scoring slack. Harris and Sacre remain a handful inside. What’s not to like?

ZagNative
05-12-2010, 12:10 PM
On second thought, maybe #9 isn't too far off the mark ... when you look at who else is out there ... Introduction to Katz' story (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=5179956):
This is what we know about the 2010-11 season: There won't be a truly great team.

Sound familiar? It was true last season.

And because of that, Duke has a chance to repeat as national champions. Not losing anyone early to the NBA draft after winning a national title is almost unheard of these days, unless you're Florida's 2006-07 team. So with Kyle Singler's decision to return to school, the Blue Devils will almost certainly start the season where they left off -- at No. 1.

Let The Debate Begin
...

As for conferences, the Big Ten should be loaded with highly competitive teams and at least two national title contenders in Purdue and Michigan State. The depth in the Big 12 shouldn't disappoint either, with two teams in my top 5 and another pair ranked in the teens. The Big East may lack top seeds, but will get its share of bids. The ACC doesn't have as much depth as usual. The SEC East may be the most competitive collection of teams of any group. The Pac-10 will be dominated by Washington and a group of nine others that will chase the Huskies. The Mountain West will be top-heavy again, with a very solid top four. And for a second straight season, the A-10 may have up to six contenders for NCAA bids.

There were tough choices here and as is always the case with such early rankings, there will be room to criticize. Wichita State is a Missouri Valley squad that could have made its way into the rankings. I also could have gone deeper in the ACC, and certainly the Big Ten. Northwestern should finally make the NCAA tournament for the first time ever and maybe even make cameos in the top 25.

There were plenty of other teams I considered for these rankings and plenty of worthy candidates were left off -- not everyone can be included. But feel free to flood that comment section with where you think I went wrong. Have at it … The following table posts the rankings of the sources linked above in this thread, and the far right three columns show a consensus ranking, totaling the total points awarded by each of the six rankers, with 25 points for #1, and so on ..


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/ZagNative/Screenprints/2010-05-12CumulativePre-seasonRa-1.jpg

ZagFanatic
05-12-2010, 12:57 PM
You've got way too much time on your hands, haha! But I love it! Thanks for putting that compilation together.

ZagNative
05-12-2010, 01:28 PM
Yup, I definitely have the time and the interest. Money is what I'm lacking. Welcome to retirement, ZN!

ZagNative
05-12-2010, 01:47 PM
Muskies are steamed about the Zags getting so much pre-season buzz ... AGAIN
From XavierHoops.com (http://www.xavierhoops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15226&page=2):

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterofreality View Post
Funny,

Gone-zaga #12....after losing Matt Bouldin.

Actually hilarious.....if it wasn't so pathetic.

Mark Few must send writers stream water spiked with hash in the offseason.
It really is laughable, and gets more so every year. Whatever, that will make it that much sweeter when we go into the Northwest and trounce them this year. I'll extend another keg bet to anyone who wants to tell me that Gonzaga will be ranked higher than 12 at the end of the year. I know I will win because Gonzaga is literally incapable of finishing higher than where they started, which is to say they are incapable of not being overrated.

kyle dixon
05-12-2010, 02:04 PM
This is going to be a great series and am so glad that GU and X agreed to a home and home. I look forward to part one in Spokane this year!

NotoriousZ
05-12-2010, 02:16 PM
Is it just me, or had Purdue been seriously overrated the past two or three years (including these preseason polls also). I know they've got a decent team, but I must be catching them on off-nights whenever I see them play.

2nd or 3rd in the nation? I guess we'll see. Sorry for the interruption, back to the Zags chat.

BobZag
05-12-2010, 02:26 PM
1. Lakers
2. Magic
3. Zags

Yup, that's about right, but I'll understand if there is some controversy between 1 and 2.

ZagNative
05-14-2010, 06:50 AM
Mike DeCourcy (http://www.sportingnews.com/college-basketball/article/2010-05-12/2010-11-rosters-set-michigan-state-looks-top-team)
14. Gonzaga. The Zags might need to become a defense-first team. That sounds strange, but it starts with point guard Demetri Goodson, and that's what he does best.So is DeCourcy thinking the Zags won't have much offensive firepower?

primal23
05-14-2010, 11:12 AM
Mike DeCourcy (http://www.sportingnews.com/college-basketball/article/2010-05-12/2010-11-rosters-set-michigan-state-looks-top-team)So is DeCourcy thinking the Zags won't have much offensive firepower?

Well losing Foster, and the two transfers who barely played, we will be lucky to score over 20 a game.