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CDC84
05-03-2010, 09:22 AM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/5157310/committee-set-debate-68-team-format

It's good to see that the folks in charge understand one of the major problems that will arise if they decide to put the final at large teams into the play in games:


The second major scenario that Shaheen will broach with Slive and his colleagues is to take the last eight teams in the at-large field and square them off against each other in four opening-round games. But here's where it gets a bit tricky. The last eight at-large schools are not all equal. So Shaheen said you would have for example two teams possibly playing for a 12-seed in the West, maybe two other teams playing for an 11 in the South and perhaps two teams going for a 10 in the Midwest and two teams vying for a 12 in the East. The Selection Sunday bracket would have, just like the opening-round game in previous years, alternates on those seed lines. So a 5-seed might have the winner of say, Mississippi State and Virginia Tech, as its 12th-seeded opponent. Shaheen said the prep work for the No. 5 seed would be to prepare for either team and then after the Tuesday or Wednesday opening-round game, have two days to prepare for that one team in a first-round game. Slive said that's definitely a scenario that deserves thorough analysis.

In other words, if they decide to put at larges into the play in games, some protected seeds will be screwed over because they will only get 1-2 days to prepare for their opening round opponent. It's one thing if a protected seed is forced to take on a team from the SWAC or MEAC with only 1-2 days of prep time, but a whole other thing if that same protected seed has to take on a Virginia Tech or a Mississippi State - teams with high major talent who might be blazing hot entering the dance - with only 1-2 days of prep time. In essence, they would punishing some of the protected seeds. That's not a good thing, because the committee's job, in many ways, is to protect it's most highly seeded teams.

Also, you can forget about the final at larges playing for the right to be a 16 seed. It won't even be discussed. The committee is not going to force a one seed to play a BCS team (most likely) with high major talent in the 1st round. That would severely diminish the value of being a one seed.

BobZag
05-03-2010, 10:27 AM
This expansion could actually make the madness better.

CDC84
05-03-2010, 11:17 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=5125887

krozman
05-04-2010, 09:01 PM
Protected seeds may not as much time to prepare, but the other team would have to play, win, and then turn around and try to win again, and if they knock off the protected seed, win AGAIN two days later. Thats exactly the kind of pressure a play in game should be like.

229SintoZag
05-04-2010, 10:09 PM
Have the play in games among the bubble teams on Monday with no notice and no time to prepare. Selections are announced Sunday and all play in games are the next day at a predetermined site in the middle of the country.

If you're on the bubble you don't deserve the notice and practice time.

Or move selection sunday up a day and tell the big 10 And sec to start it's tournament a day earlier.

It's a problem that can be solved and solving it in a way to make the bubble teams who have not clinched truly play their way into the
field of 64 is worth it.

CDC84
05-05-2010, 08:36 AM
Or move selection sunday up a day and tell the big 10 And sec to start it's tournament a day earlier.

I think this is the best idea, but I doubt it could be applied this year because league tourney dates, facilities, hotels and TV contracts are probably set in stone. But in the future, yes.

Truthfully, I wish Selection Sunday could be its own day with no college basketball games taking place on that day. That way the committee could really watch and evaluate the SEC, Big 10, etc., tourneys instead of having to come up with all of these wild contingency plans. In an ideal world they would be able to take it all in, and then make their final decisions. But it'll never happen.

UberZagFan
05-05-2010, 02:11 PM
Uber thinks the committee should stop using the S-curve so rigidly and applied across the board 1-16 in each region. The last 8 at-larges should play the play in games and be placed in the 8-9 or 7-10 games. Yeah some of the 1s or 2s will wine about this or that but they still would be playing lesser seeds than the 2-6 seeds in the second around assuming the higher seeds win (which we know they don't always but that is the assumption). And they could mixed it up between what 1s/2s they want on the Thurs/Sat schedule giving all winners of the play-in game a Fri/Sun schedule. Sure a 5 or 6 may wine about playing a 12 or 11 that is higher on the S-curve than what an 8 or 7 may face but then again that 5 or 6 doesn't have to play a 1 or 2 in the second game and they get more days of prep. If that makes sense. . .

And yes this would all work better if they moved up the selection day to Saturday.

dim4sum
05-05-2010, 08:54 PM
the whole idea stinks. The talent level of the tournament is already seriously diluted by the one and done player. This is all part of political correctness being taken to yet another ridiculous extreme. We are all winners. With pride and confidence we can all win. And guess what--coach gets to keep his job because we made the Sexy Sixty Eight. I say go for 69 so as to provoke some lewd innuendo.

BroncoZAG615
05-05-2010, 09:04 PM
the whole idea stinks. The talent level of the tournament is already seriously diluted by the one and done player. This is all part of political correctness being taken to yet another ridiculous extreme. We are all winners. With pride and confidence we can all win. And guess what--coach gets to keep his job because we made the Sexy Sixty Eight. I say go for 69 so as to provoke some lewd innuendo.

How does the one and done player dilute the talent of the tournament?

There are over 340 teams in division one basketball and they all strive for these 68 spots. You want to lessen the teams in the tournament? That would probably take out the mid-major element because what incentive is their for a small school to pump money into a sport where they probably won't see a long-term return? None.

This whole idea is fantastic. I see no down side.

zag67
05-06-2010, 08:15 AM
I also think that moving the league tournaments to be finished on Saturday would be the best. But since they cannot get it done for this year, why not have the tournament committe set the playin games on Saturday and have them play on Monday (since all of them should be known by then). Also they should try and get the playin games close to home (so that there is not major travel).

Another idea would be to have a seperate drawing for the last 8 teams and set the playin schedule up on Wednesday and have the games on Saturday. This would then keep the 64 team pick the same as it is now.

ZagKing09
05-06-2010, 09:13 AM
I also think that moving the league tournaments to be finished on Saturday would be the best. But since they cannot get it done for this year, why not have the tournament committe set the playin games on Saturday and have them play on Monday (since all of them should be known by then). Also they should try and get the playin games close to home (so that there is not major travel).

Another idea would be to have a seperate drawing for the last 8 teams and set the playin schedule up on Wednesday and have the games on Saturday. This would then keep the 64 team pick the same as it is now.


67, while I like what you're going for here, this won't work because a lot of times the last 4 in are teams that show reasonably well in their conference tournament but don't win (i.e. the Pac 10 this year). So trying to decide those BEFORE the conference tournaments are finished wouldn't work because the committee wouldn't know who was going to be the 8 bubble teams yet...