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Angelo Roncalli
04-06-2010, 11:26 AM
Gu: #23

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/usatpoll.htm

B Wayne
04-06-2010, 12:17 PM
It's official . Butler roared past Gonzaga as the best or most exclusive mid major in basketball history. They played in the championship game, captured the nation's imagination, and actually beat us in recent years. We're still living on a Final 8 appearance ten years ago along with a handful of Sweet 16's. We have much to be proud of though.

titopoet
04-06-2010, 12:51 PM
It's official . Butler roared past Gonzaga as the best or most exclusive mid major in basketball history. They played in the championship game, captured the nation's imagination, and actually beat us in recent years. We're still living on a Final 8 appearance ten years ago along with a handful of Sweet 16's. We have much to be proud of though.

No, No.

The standard bearer is still UTEP (Texas Western) 1966 champions beating the power Kentucky. Made into a hit movie and still giving Pat Riley nightmares

gozagswoohoo
04-06-2010, 12:56 PM
No, No.

The standard bearer is still UTEP (Texas Western) 1966 champions beating the power Kentucky. Made into a hit movie and still giving Pat Riley nightmares

No, no.

The more standarder bearer is Northwestern South Dakota School of Pharmacy and Technology from 1863. They are the first college basketball team in history to win.....a tournament...


Who could forget NSDSPT??

Angelo Roncalli
04-06-2010, 01:03 PM
What about the City College of New York Beavers?

Kiddwell
04-06-2010, 01:03 PM
No, no.

The more standarder bearer is Northwestern South Dakota School of Pharmacy and Technology from 1863. They are the first college basketball team in history to win.....a tournament...


Who could forget NSDSPT??

Hold it! Fred & Wilma's prehistoric pick-up game! 40,000 B.C.!

:]

titopoet
04-06-2010, 01:36 PM
Funny Guys. But I stand by what I said. From the Yahoo's Dagger (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Where-does-Butler-Duke-rank-among-the-best-title?urn=ncaab,232282#remaining-content):


Had either of Gordon Hayward's potential game-winning shots gone in during the final seconds, a historic Butler upset would have vaulted this game into the conversation for the best in championship history. Instead it sneaks into my list of the 10 best national title games at No. 9, a fun game with a thrilling finish that will ultimately be remembered as a near-miss.

1. Texas Western 72, Kentucky 65, 1966

Although it lacked the game-winning shots and back-and-forth lead changes of other memorable title matchups on this list, no championship game is more historically significant. That all-black Texas Western upset Adolph Rupp's all-white, No. 1 ranked Kentucky team stunned college basketball and shattered the myth for good that teams needed at least one white player on the floor at all times to maintain discipline.

2. Michigan State 75, Indiana State 64, 1979

The great irony of the 1979 title game is that the basketball itself wasn't that entertaining, but the importance of the matchup cannot be overstated. A quarter of all American TV viewers tuned in to see a shy Indiana country kid named Larry Bird take on a wildly charismatic Michigan city player named Magic Johnson, a matchup that became one of basketball's great rivalries and increased interest in college hoops to previously unimaginable levels.

3. NC State 54, Houston 52, 1983

The sixth-seeded Wolfpack pulled off probably the biggest upset in national title game history, denying the "Phi Slamma Jamma" Houston team that featured Clyde Drexler and Hakeem Olajuwon. Sophomore Lorenzo Charles clinched the victory at the buzzer when he converted guard Dereck Whittenburg's off-line desperation shot into a game-winning alley-oop dunk, sending coach Jim Valvano into a memorable euphoria.

4. Villanova 66, Georgetown 64, 1985

Not only did the eighth-seeded Wildcats become the lowest seed ever to win the championship, they also did it against a Patrick Ewing-led Georgetown team playing in its third championship game in four years. The Hoyas had beaten Villanova twice in the regular season and were clearly the best team in the nation all year, but the Wildcats shot 22 of 28 in the last pre-shot clock title game to pull the monumental upset.

5. North Carolina 54, Kansas 53 (3 OTs)

The best of the early national title games is remembered as such not for the pedigree of the teams or for the three overtimes but because of the odds North Carolina had to overcome to beat Wilt Chamberlain and Kansas. The Tar Heels had just played another triple overtime game the previous night and they had no player taller than 6-foot-5, but they harassed Chamberlain with double and triple teams, doing just enough to eke out a memorable victory.

6. North Carolina 63, Georgetown 62, 1982

It's hard to believe a North Carolina team featuring Michael Jordan, Sam Perkins and James Worthy could assume the role of sentimental underdog, but that's how dominant Patrick Ewing and the Hoyas were in this era. Jordan sank the game-winning baseline jumper and then Freddie Brown inexplicably passed the ball right to Worthy on Georgetown's final possession, a bizarre turnover that capped the upset and gave Dean Smith his first championship.

7. Indiana 74, Syracuse 73, 1987

In a back-and-forth game featuring stars Derrick Coleman and Steve Alford and legendary coaches Bobby Knight and Jim Boeheim, it was a little-known junior college transfer who made the biggest bucket. Guard Keith Smart, Indiana's fifth-leading scorer for the season, tallied 12 of the Hoosiers' last 15 points, including a 15-foot jumper from the left baseline with five seconds remaining to give Knight his third and final championship.

8. Kansas 75, Memphis 68 (OT), 2008

Just when it seemed Memphis was on the verge of silencing critics who said it was untested and capturing its first championship, Kansas roared back from a nine-point deficit with less than two minutes to go. Mario Chalmers sank a memorable 3-pointer with 2.1 seconds left in regulation to send the game to overtime, and the Jayhawks pulled away for a 75-68 victory, ending a 20-year title drought that included numerous early flame outs.

9. Duke 61, Butler 59, 2010

Butler star Gordon Hayward had two opportunities to give his team's Hoosiers-esque run the storybook finish everyone wanted to see, but top-seeded Duke escaped because neither would fall. Hayward missed a go-ahead baseline fallaway jumper with less than five seconds remaining and then had a half-court shot at the buzzer go off glass and off the rim, sucking the life out of hometown Lucas Oil Stadium.

10. Michigan 80, Seton Hall 79, 1989

A Michigan team accused of underachieving in previous years won college basketball's biggest prize with an interim coach. Rumeal Robinson sank a pair of free throws with three seconds left in overtime, spoiling a spectacular 35-point effort from Seton Hall's John Morton and giving Steve Fisher the championship a mere three weeks after he'd taken over for Bill Frieder.

MickMick
04-06-2010, 11:12 PM
Read a book titled "Instant Replay" by Jerry Kramer.

You will learn lots of good stuff about one of the greatest coaches ever.

Vince Lombardi.

In that book, there is an interesting philosophy adopted by Lombardi. He believed that a team can only peak for about a half season. Kramer played offensive guard for the Packers and described in his book how Lombardi would intentionaly "whip them down" in the first half of the season. Lombardi would then gradually build the team psyche so that the team could sustain a higher intensity level for the duration of post season.

Zags are completely opposite. To build a resume using RPI format, they front load their schedule and peak in the OOC. Hence giving MSU a big battle on their home floor followed by winning Maui. But according to Lombardi, there is no way a team can sustain this for a full season.

Look at Butler. They look rather ordinary in the Anaheim classic and peak in the post season. UW Huskies look ordinary early and peaks at post season. St. Marys.....same story.

There might be something to this "front loading" effect.

MDABE80
04-06-2010, 11:52 PM
Well said Mick...might be something to Lombardi's idea when it comes to college basketball. For the past years, our team looks absolutely bored in league. Who could blame them? They become a team on the road against big time opponents and then fizzle. Impossible to flip flop the two halves. Untill we find some way to enhance the 2nd half, we're stuck with what we have.

It would be good to "regell" and toughen up at the end of the season... just not sure how that could be done. We're locked in to this until Admin blesses some changes. Unfortunately, we'd need major warriors to keep up the intensity the whole year. The let down after OOC is most disturbing. Butler's success looks all that more impressive.....they lost a few then ran through their leage...and then got the groove back . They could just as easily be the Nat Champs now...a few inches and a few free throws... and that would be the case. What to do..what to do...