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GrizZAG
03-21-2010, 04:03 PM
Remember early on this season and through the season from time to time that KO and AH showed skill at shooting the 3? Seems that could be exploited more next year. Drive the basket kick it out to our bigs that can nail em.
What do you think? Seems we did that with Daye last year more. That would be very SU like maybe?

MickMick
03-21-2010, 04:07 PM
I hate the idea of relying on 3 pt shooting in a single elimination tournament.

I love the idea of having a couple players that can really stroke the three with confidence.

Cuse didn't even play inside out. They just popped from outside at will.

Zags need to bring in a specialist coach for extending the defense.

MickMick
03-21-2010, 04:08 PM
Rotnei Clarke?

GrizZAG
03-21-2010, 04:16 PM
[QUOTE=MickMick;555676]I hate the idea of relying on 3 pt shooting in a single elimination tournament.

I love the idea of having a couple players that can really stroke the three with confidence.

Cuse didn't even play inside out. They just popped from outside at will.


True. Those guys were nailing NBA 3's all day long. It was impressive indeed.

thespywhozaggedme
03-21-2010, 04:40 PM
I hate the idea of relying on 3 pt shooting in a single elimination tournament.

I love the idea of having a couple players that can really stroke the three with confidence.

Cuse didn't even play inside out. They just popped from outside at will.

Zags need to bring in a specialist coach for extending the defense.


But as you stated in the exact same post; Syracuse did just that and it got them in the sweet sixteen. A college 3 pointer is not that hard of a shot for a dead eye sharp shooter; remember when we use to have a bevy of them?

MickMick
03-21-2010, 05:12 PM
But as you stated in the exact same post; Syracuse did just that and it got them in the sweet sixteen. A college 3 pointer is not that hard of a shot for a dead eye sharp shooter; remember when we use to have a bevy of them?

You gotta have more than just jacking up threes.

Nova's Reynolds is the perfect example. When your star grows cold, you need a reliable means of scoring.

You need a Samhan!
:p

(And you need to feed him)

btzag
03-21-2010, 05:37 PM
You gotta have more than just jacking up threes.

Nova's Reynolds is the perfect example. When your star grows cold, you need a reliable means of scoring.

You need a Samhan!
:p

(And you need to feed him)

But again as Spy stated, this is exactly what Syracuse relied on solely to beat the Zags. They did not go inside at all, did not have a mid-range game, did not take guys off the bounce and get to the rim, and did not fast break. They basically shot the 3 or long two's and hit them all day. My big question for Syracuse is how they are going to win against good teams when they can't hit 50% of their 3's?

Since we are on the topic....

CBB should extend the 3 line to the NBA length and get it over with. I am sick of teams being rewarded for shooting 25-30 3's a game. Would not have mattered in this game but let the better team win, not just the hotter team from three.

BobZag
03-21-2010, 05:49 PM
I go one step further. As I stated before any of the tournaments started, eliminate the 3-point line and abolish conference tourneys. To me, the 3-point shot is gimmicky since most inside shots are more difficult to make; might as well add a 4-point line at 30 feet if you don't see it as a gimmick. And conference tourneys are all about money, not the game of basketball.

I know, I know, just call me geezer. :p

TexasZagFan
03-21-2010, 05:57 PM
I go one step further. As I stated before any of the tournaments started, eliminate the 3-point line and abolish conference tourneys. To me, the 3-point shot is gimmicky since most inside shots are more difficult to make; might as well add a 4-point line at 30 feet if you don't see it as a gimmick. And conference tourneys are all about money, not the game of basketball.

I know, I know, just call me geezer. :p

Geezer! :lmao:

BZ, thanks again for another great year. In your honor, I'm going to download ELP's "Brain Salad Surgery", at least the song that starts with...

"Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.
We're so glad you could attend, come inside, come inside."

Sounds like Gonzaga basketball, if you ask me...in a very good way.

I'm a geezer too, and by the time the first autumn practice rolls around, I'll also be known as....

Opa

:eek:

MickMick
03-21-2010, 06:01 PM
My big question for Syracuse is how they are going to win against good teams when they can't hit 50% of their 3's?

That is the million dollar question although they are better equipped to deal with it than Villanova was.

jim77
03-21-2010, 06:17 PM
That is the million dollar question although they are better equipped to deal with it than Villanova was.

Did you see how hard they were running their routes? Those guys were ALL business.....only UK has a chance of overcoming the onslaught. Just think...their REAL big never left the bench. The one thing I will say is this: John Wall will penetrate that defense instaed of admiring it.

kitzbuel
03-21-2010, 06:22 PM
My big question for Syracuse is how they are going to win against good teams when they can't hit 50% of their 3's?



I know the answer to that.

Arinze Onuaku

BC1210is
03-21-2010, 06:28 PM
I have watched Cuse a lot this season and they are a far cry from solely a 3 point shooting team. I think we lost to the champs again this year is Onuaku is able to come back next week. They were a pretty different team today without their center, one of their best players. Johnson is a freak athlete and can pretty much do it all including shoot. Rautins is the point guard anybody would kill to have on their team. Deadly shooter and all around good guard who does not have to score to get the team a W.

We need leadership, big game players, a point guard and shooters for next year. Not just a 3 point shooter. I don't think we will get to the FF next year but please prove me wrong Zags. We need to get better matchups and seeding thats for sure.

Granda Zag
03-21-2010, 08:49 PM
I was totally impressed by the way SU shot the three. Many of them shot the three with the confidence of a free throw. They expected it to go in and it did.

It was no big deal.

They will not always have the percentage they did today but it will always be a serious weapon.

They hit 12 today. I think the Zags should have a goal of hitting 15 3's in a game.

Once they accomplished that, the 3 would a weapon even if they did not shoot.

Practice 15 minutes of threes at every practice.

surfmonkey89
03-21-2010, 09:06 PM
I think the Zags should have a goal of hitting 15 3's in a game.

Really? The all-time record for 3pt FGs per game is 13.7, and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember it helping VMI very much in 2007.

Source (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/m_basketball_RB/2010/D1.pdf).

Would it hurt people to spend 10min researching these types of things before pulling numbers out of their ass?

BC1210is
03-22-2010, 12:05 AM
Really? The all-time record for 3pt FGs per game is 13.7, and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember it helping VMI very much in 2007.

Source (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/m_basketball_RB/2010/D1.pdf).

Would it hurt people to spend 10min researching these types of things before pulling numbers out of their ass?

Haha, 15 per game is pretty funny, but it would be nice to get back to the GU roots as guard U and go for the "wendy's" number every night like when I was watching the games in the old kennel. I think a more realistic goal would be closer to 10, or how about just shooting a good percentage.

GrizZAG
03-22-2010, 06:33 AM
The original question was regarding having EH and KO come out to the perimeter to stroke more threes next year. What do you think?

We know a balanced attack inside and out is what great teams have so they can adjust to any opponent, but for us this year, it was a combo of brilliance and going flat. We would love to have Dellavadova on our squad albeit he looks like a mutt at this point.
Is there a technical foul for mouth guard abuse as a distraction? Good grief

zagzilla
03-22-2010, 07:15 AM
The combination of our awful 3 point shooting and "cuse being hot. If both teams shoot 40% from 3 then its a tossup.

GU shot 3-21. 40% would be 9 of 21 or +18 points

SU shot 12-25 40% would be 10-25 or -4 points

That's a 22 point swing and that is exactly the margin of the game.

We did exactly what we wanted and got 41 points inside but the combination of their hot shooting and our cold shooting did us in.

cjm720
03-22-2010, 07:51 AM
[QUOTE=btzag;555730]They did not go inside at all, did not have a mid-range game, did not take guys off the bounce and get to the rim, and did not fast break. They basically shot the 3 or long two's and hit them all day.[QUOTE]

I must have watched a different game. Once Scoop got in he started breaking us down and our defensive scheme collapsed. Add 48% 3 point shooting and game over.

gamagin
03-22-2010, 08:11 AM
jackson was benched with 3 fouls early on (or was it 2?).

But instead of continuing inside, we tried, switched, really, to shooting a few up top and they didn't go in. We broke down just long enough for them to pounce and they did. Their shots went in and the confidence that goes with it soared, too. way. early. in. the. game. when it appeared we had just built ourselves a real advantage underneath.

Boeheim said himself, a couple of misses on one side and a couple of makes on the other and the game swings 8-10 points in a few minutes. It did.

But why did we not mercilessly exploit that inside soft spot we created, stick to our plan and keep going ?

THAT, plus tightning up on their outside hot hands, realizing they were hot and likely going to make "some" but not let it go crazy like it did, with some of those guys taking wide open shots, over and over ?

In other words, we took away our early advantage from ourselves, and tried to become something we were not prepared to become on the spot, outside shooters. And after only a few tries, we even stopped trying to shoot from up top, too.

game. set. match. all this happened in moments with jackson still on the bench and in the first half.

If we had stuck to our knitting, chased their shooters around like Boeheim says Meech chased one of theirs the second half, the production would have lessened up top while our production underneath attempted to catch up.

It coulda, woulda, shoulda been a different game, I believe.

trying to become SMC or Cuse with a suddenly incredibly hot 3 point shooter (or two or three) is to ignore our strengths as they exist going into a game and essentially surrendering to what appears to be an unstoppable force.

It is only unstoppable if we stop. and we did. way too early in the contest. Which is our second problem. Giving up, getting discouraged and playing like it long before the 40 minutes are up.

Reborn
03-22-2010, 09:37 AM
Gonzaga needs better 3 point shooting. It's an obvious fact. You can not go far in the NCAA tournament without very good 3 pt shooting. I believe that all of the teams that will advance will have a combination of good inside scoring, and great 3 pt shooting. And they will all play great defense.

I do think that Kelly and Elias will become better 3 pt shooters if they are willing to put in the time. I really wonder how much time are guys are putting in just for shooting. I remember hearing that Steven basically took last summer off. I was anxious to see how it affected his shooting and I think it did. I am also hoping that are players from other countries will stay in Spokane this summer and work out with the team, and work on their shooting. Olynyk took a fair # of three's this year, but yu would have to say that he was definitely NOT effective at all from the 3 pt line.

I think a confident, deadly 3 pt shooter should be a priority in rooking this Spring.