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flst8nole
03-14-2010, 07:12 PM
Good luck Friday night. Hopefully you're stay will be a short one in Buffalo. :)

Weaknesses

1. FSU is turnover prone. Especially against pressing teams
2. Poor free throw shooting. Our best free throw shooter is 7'1" Alibi. Need I say more.
3. Offense is lethargic.
4. Extremely young (seems like we have something in common here)
5. We don't defend the 3 the best
6. Team losses focus from time to time. Bone headed mistakes and turnovers

Strengths

1. Defense is tenacious. I doubt there is a better defensive team in the country.
2. We lead the NCAA in holding our opponents to the lowest 2pt field goal %
3. We Block or alter most shots in the paint
4. Singleton is a one man wrecking crew on defense. ACC defensive player of the year. He avg's 2.3 steals a game, blocks shots, and can shut down his opponent (Ask Wake Forest Aminu who was held scoreless for the first time in his carrer). Alibi was on the All ACC Defensive Team as well.
5. Very Athletic
6. Size and length (Gonzaga is Tall as well) Starting lineup Alibi 7'1'', Singleton 6'9", Reid 6'8", Kitchen 6'4", and Snaer 6'5"

Key Players

Alibi: Shot Blocker, leads team in scoring but is very raw on the offensive side of the court

Singleton: ACC Defensive player of the Year. Unbelievable athleticism. Can guard anyone on the court if need be. Can disappear from games offensively.

Dulkys: Our 3 pt specialist

Snaer: Slasher and very good defensive player

Reid: Only Senior and our glue to the team.

In my opinion, Gonzaga is a good matchup for FSU. FSU struggles against pressing, guard dominated teams. Our strength are our bigs and our guards have struggled against pressure at times.

One thing I can all but assure you is this game will probably be ugly on both sides. That's FSU's style. We make teams look bad while looking horrid ourselves.

Hope this gives some insight about FSU.

MickMick
03-14-2010, 07:18 PM
Thanks for the good input.

The only thing I can really fault with it is your perception that Gonzaga cannot apply defensive pressure.

Let's make it clear once and for all.

They can.

They can apply defensive pressure better than any Zag team I can remember. They just didn't do it for 30 consecutive games. Unless you have a roadrunner guard, expect your best playmaker to be smothered defensively by Steven Gray.

They turn turnovers into transition points. They will punish teams that can't take care of the ball. In fact that is about the only way you will see their point guard score. There are only a handful of guards that can pass out of the break better than Bouldin. There are a handful of forwards that can finish the break like Harris. You can assign your own style points.

If you are going to give us some free possesions, then put on your track shoes and a little advice.......

Practice shooting your threes.

ZagLawGrad
03-14-2010, 07:26 PM
Yes, Zags can apply D pressure. But I'm struggling to think of many good examples the second half of this season.

I don't like the sound of the kind of D that FSU apparently can play. Sounds like RS and EH could have major problems getting to the basket inside. The Zags do not want to live or die by perimeter shooting.

flst8nole
03-14-2010, 07:38 PM
Yes, Zags can apply D pressure. But I'm struggling to think of many good examples the second half of this season.

I don't like the sound of the kind of D that FSU apparently can play. Sounds like RS and EH could have major problems getting to the basket inside. The Zags do not want to live or die by perimeter shooting.

FSU's losses came from teams that shot lights out from 3pt range and full court pressing teams. That's the recipe for defeating FSU.

This game will probably be played in the 50's or 60's. You score 70 and it's probably lights out for FSU.

ZagLawGrad
03-14-2010, 07:42 PM
FSU's losses came from teams that shot lights out from 3pt range and full court pressing teams. That's the recipe for defeating FSU.

This game will probably be played in the 50's or 60's. You score 70 and it's probably lights out for FSU.

The Zags aren't scoring 70 from the perimeter. And they're not a pressing team.

Will be interesting to see if Harris and Sacre can score inside against the ACC Defensive Player of the Year. If not, all bets are off IMO.

Jedster
03-14-2010, 08:19 PM
Thanks for the scouting report Flst8nole!

I'm curious as to how they will play against Matt and Steven. Both their starting guards (Kitchen and Snaer) are equal in size at 6'4" and 6'5", but both are around 200lbs. They also have Reid at one of the forward spots and he is 6'8/235. I'd guess Snaer will be on Meech with Kitchen on either Gray or Bouldin. I'm guessing Gray and they put Reid on Bouldin to match his weight and give him some length. That could cause some trouble for Matt, though I'm not sure how quick Reid is as Matt has that surprisingly quick first step.

I'd guess Singleton will play on Harris. This will be the match-up to watch and probably will go a long ways in deciding the game. Elias will have to take care of the ball as it sounds like Singleton is great at creating turnovers (or at least capitalizing on the ones the team creates).

Sacre is also going to have to play a tough inside game. I would be more happy to see him rebound tough as opposed to score a lot. We are also going to have to push the ball up and try to score quickly and not get slogged down in the offensive end. As some have said, could this be the game Bol makes a huge splash on the national stage? I hope so!

I'm sure Few and Co. already have a game plan drawn up. We do have a lot of scoring options, so FSU will have to be on their game at multiple positions and not try to shut down just one or two players.

I keep thinking back to the Cincy game and how bruising it was. That's what I picture of this game. I think this is definitely where it pays off the OOC schedule we played (whether the other teams have high RPI's or not). We've played far away from home and in some very trying and difficult venues (NY, Maui, Illinois, Memphis).

If this team can focus, and I think they can, I think they can win this. They've shown they can get up for big stretches of games, and this is the BIG one.

Zagatak
03-14-2010, 08:27 PM
Could this be the game Bol Kong gets to start instead of Meech? He can provide offensive efficiency and will be a scoring threat. FSU has a lot of size and putting Bol in will definetily balance that out. Put MB at point and sub in Meech for Bol once in a while if we need pressure defense. Could anyone see that happening or is that just to unlikely?

bartruff1
03-14-2010, 08:33 PM
You dance with the one that brung you...

Thomas_Sutpen
03-14-2010, 08:34 PM
Could this be the game Bol Kong gets to start instead of Meech? He can provide offensive efficiency and will be a scoring threat. FSU has a lot of size and putting Bol in will definetily balance that out. Put MB at point and sub in Meech for Bol once in a while if we need pressure defense. Could anyone see that happening or is that just to unlikely?

0% chance BK starts, though he'll get minutes.

Thanks for the info, 'Nole, and welcome to the board! Good luck on Friday (but not too much).

We should be worried about FSU's length & D; hopefully we can cause some turnovers and get the transition game going.

GU69
03-14-2010, 08:40 PM
Weaknesses
2. Poor free throw shooting.
4. Extremely young
5. We don't defend the 3 the best
6. Team losses focus from time to time.

Strengths
1. Defense is tenacious.
5. Very Athletic
6. Size and length


Sounds like a lot of similarities.

flst8nole
03-14-2010, 09:23 PM
Thanks for the scouting report Flst8nole!

I'm curious as to how they will play against Matt and Steven. Both their starting guards (Kitchen and Snaer) are equal in size at 6'4" and 6'5", but both are around 200lbs. They also have Reid at one of the forward spots and he is 6'8/235. I'd guess Snaer will be on Meech with Kitchen on either Gray or Bouldin. I'm guessing Gray and they put Reid on Bouldin to match his weight and give him some length. That could cause some trouble for Matt, though I'm not sure how quick Reid is as Matt has that surprisingly quick first step.

I'd guess Singleton will play on Harris. This will be the match-up to watch and probably will go a long ways in deciding the game. Elias will have to take care of the ball as it sounds like Singleton is great at creating turnovers (or at least capitalizing on the ones the team creates).

Sacre is also going to have to play a tough inside game. I would be more happy to see him rebound tough as opposed to score a lot. We are also going to have to push the ball up and try to score quickly and not get slogged down in the offensive end. As some have said, could this be the game Bol makes a huge splash on the national stage? I hope so!

I'm sure Few and Co. already have a game plan drawn up. We do have a lot of scoring options, so FSU will have to be on their game at multiple positions and not try to shut down just one or two players.

I keep thinking back to the Cincy game and how bruising it was. That's what I picture of this game. I think this is definitely where it pays off the OOC schedule we played (whether the other teams have high RPI's or not). We've played far away from home and in some very trying and difficult venues (NY, Maui, Illinois, Memphis).

If this team can focus, and I think they can, I think they can win this. They've shown they can get up for big stretches of games, and this is the BIG one.


I would think Reid 6'8" who is also an excellent defensive player will probably be on Harris 6'8". Singleton 6'9" probably will be guarding Bouldin 6'5" and Snaer 6'5" on Gray 6'4".

From the sounds of things, Gonzaga spreads the scoring around like FSU and has many options. FSU has no main go to guy. Singleton may hit for 20 one night and 4 the next. Snaer has been coming on strong for us as of late and look for Xavier Gibson 6'11 to come off the bench and want the ball. When Gibson touches the ball, he is looking to score.

Also, FSU is extremely physical. So if the refs let them play then that will play in FSU's favor. If they call it tight, it usually works against FSU.

By no means am I saying that FSU will win but I think FSU matches up extremely well with Gonzaga. Should be an entertaining game regardless.

jim77
03-14-2010, 09:49 PM
The Seminoles are a big and physical team. You don't fight fire with fire. You play smart. The Zags need to trap and press abit until FSU proves they can move the ball...and then get back into a sagging zone and let FSU bombed from the outside. We can foul when necessary as the Seminoles aren't a great freethrow team. I hope Foster is ready cause we will need him this game with FSU's height....KO too. Make them beat you with the outside shot.

On offense we can forget pounding it in or "establishing anything inside". We need to set screens and spring folks open....the 1 on 1 game probably won't work against these guys. We neeed to get transiton points when possible and we need to MANUFACTURE the rest. This game will be about getting good shots when and where we can...not imposing our will.(cause we can't) I think Meech could play a big role in this game cause most guys over 6' 4" aren't fleet foot enough to keep up with him......the other guys need to be ready for the dish. Matt's play making/passing skills will be in high demand and we need to free up Matt at every possible chance....SCREEN for MATT...and the rest need to make themselves availiable. I don't think Matt will score big but, I think he can assist big this game. I could see FSU taking him out ala Cincy but, we can still win. Last...we need to get as many oppurtunities as possible with extra emphisis on preventing turnovers....Elias may be needed to get the ball over the line. Don't wait till the 5th turnover to figure that out...Elias needs to be ready from the get go. Should be a good game. GO ZAGS

Just wanted to add a few more things. The Zags had better limit the length of the pass when in the halfcourt offense....FSU loves to go after lazy passes. Also, when playing defense KEEP YOU'RE HANDS UP....NC state caused them problems doing this as the FSU offense is not very polished. FSU has trouble at times with fluidity on offense, the HANDS UP makes it even tougher on them. FSU doesn't have much room for error on offense. They live and die on defense...they sorta remind me of some of the Memphis teams with their length and quickness on D.