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chirguy
02-03-2010, 03:19 PM
I've been a little concerned about the Zags in ability to put away team in the WCC. Partly I think because they are young and make mistakes that new players do. I think the main problem with the Zags is defense, though the have played great defense in spurts. Anyway, I was looking at points for vs points against and I put together a little data. You decide if it means anything.

Team PF PA Net

Kansas 84.7 62.5 22.2
Duke 81.9 62.8 19.1
Syracuse 82.5 64.6 17.9
Texas 84.7 67.2 17.5
Kentucky 82.4 66.4 16.0
St Maries 82.1 67.0 15.1
Villanova 85.0 70.5 14.5
Purdue 74.8 61.5 13.3
Mich St 75.3 63.9 11.4
Wisconsin 68.1 56.7 11.4
Gonzaga 79.0 69.6 9.4
Zag in WCC 80.3 72.6 7.7

Bogozags
02-03-2010, 03:32 PM
I've been a little concerned about the Zags in ability to put away team in the WCC. Partly I think because they are young and make mistakes that new players do. I think the main problem with the Zags is defense, though the have played great defense in spurts. Anyway, I was looking at points for vs points against and I put together a little data. You decide if it means anything.

Team PF PA Net

Kansas 84.7 62.5 22.2
Duke 81.9 62.8 19.1
Syracuse 82.5 64.6 17.9
Texas 84.7 67.2 17.5
Kentucky 82.4 66.4 16.0
St Maries 82.1 67.0 15.1
Villanova 85.0 70.5 14.5
Purdue 74.8 61.5 13.3
Mich St 75.3 63.9 11.4
Wisconsin 68.1 56.7 11.4
Gonzaga 79.0 69.6 9.4
Zag in WCC 80.3 72.6 7.7



Think what Coach Few said is right on...we are young and will get better over time...also, he mentioned the other WCC teams have gotten better and they always bring their "A game" against us.

It would be nice to win a few more of these games with a bigger spread. SDU and the Waves were our only double digit wins in conference so far.

Bulldog
02-03-2010, 04:49 PM
Mathmetical data to determine the outcome of a college basketball game.
Very interesting.:confused:
All I want is a positive 95 to 100% win or lose situation, I am nearing retirement and the stock market is so unreliable. :)

kitzbuel
02-03-2010, 05:59 PM
I've been a little concerned about the Zags in ability to put away team in the WCC. Partly I think because they are young and make mistakes that new players do. I think the main problem with the Zags is defense, though the have played great defense in spurts. Anyway, I was looking at points for vs points against and I put together a little data. You decide if it means anything.

Team PF PA Net

Kansas 84.7 62.5 22.2
Duke 81.9 62.8 19.1
Syracuse 82.5 64.6 17.9
Texas 84.7 67.2 17.5
Kentucky 82.4 66.4 16.0
St Maries 82.1 67.0 15.1
Villanova 85.0 70.5 14.5
Purdue 74.8 61.5 13.3
Mich St 75.3 63.9 11.4
Wisconsin 68.1 56.7 11.4
Gonzaga 79.0 69.6 9.4
Zag in WCC 80.3 72.6 7.7
I would say our drop off in confernce is not as dramatic as that of Kansas.

They are scoring 10.7 points per game less in conference than out of conference. That is nearly a 50% drop.

GU has only dropped 1.7 points per game for an 18% dropoff.

cbbfanatic
02-03-2010, 06:20 PM
I would say our drop off in confernce is not as dramatic as that of Kansas.

They are scoring 10.7 points per game less in conference than out of conference. That is nearly a 50% drop.

GU has only dropped 1.7 points per game for an 18% dropoff.

kansas' drop off in conference cannot really be compared to gonzagas... apples and oranges.

i would actually expect gonzaga to score more in conference than in the OOC portion. i guess the only thing that would make me think otherwise is the apparent trend that gonzaga often appears to play its best ball in november and december

kitzbuel
02-03-2010, 06:45 PM
kansas' drop off in conference cannot really be compared to gonzagas... apples and oranges.

i would actually expect gonzaga to score more in conference than in the OOC portion. i guess the only thing that would make me think otherwise is the apparent trend that gonzaga often appears to play its best ball in november and december

That was pretty much my point. Both GU and KU were bound to tighten up on the PF/PA once they quit playing the likes of Hofstra, Central Arkansas, Oakland, Tennessee Tech, Alcorn St, Radford, LaSalle and Mississippi Valley St, Augustana and EWU.

cbbfanatic
02-03-2010, 06:51 PM
That was pretty much my point. Both GU and KU were bound to tighten up on the PF/PA once they quit playing the likes of Hofstra, Central Arkansas, Oakland, Tennessee Tech, Alcorn St, Radford, LaSalle and Mississippi Valley St, Augustana and EWU.

gotcha, i misunderstood your first post.

LongIslandZagFan
02-03-2010, 08:25 PM
If the Zags played the same OOC that those teams had... I suspect they'd have the same gap. What is the gap for those teams vs. top 100 RPI teams?

23dpg
02-03-2010, 09:50 PM
That was pretty much my point. Both GU and KU were bound to tighten up on the PF/PA once they quit playing the likes of Hofstra, Central Arkansas, Oakland, Tennessee Tech, Alcorn St, Radford, LaSalle and Mississippi Valley St, Augustana and EWU.

I'll take that with a grain of sarcasm.;)

krozman
02-03-2010, 10:04 PM
I'd believe coach few if it wasn't for the fact that Gonzaga has traditionally played down to their opponents for the last 10 years. Exceptions exist, but most of you agree with me. Remember my poll a few days back.

http://www.guboards.spokesmanreview.com/showthread.php?t=26038

43 to 9 !

alaskazagnut
02-04-2010, 12:22 AM
Portland, St. Marys, and San Diego were our toughest conference road games (at least 2 of 'em). After we won those 3 road games TO ME it felt like we were home free and we were playing for tournament seeding. I believed that our team was a shoe in to win the conference and finish the season with only 3 losses. But...... IF, and I mean IF, coming home from San Diego at 3-0 the team had similar feelings like mine, then it makes sense looking at our play now. Its human nature. Human nature is a beeeaaatch. Like when the pack is far behind in the race you tend to ease up. Its a "tortoise and the hare" type of thing. Its conserving energy and that is a natural survival of the fittest instinct. I want to see if they can overcome that and seriously put the hurt on our WCC brethren like a national championship is on the line.

We need that combination of emotional intensity, surgically precise execution, and physical domination that we saw in East Lansing, Maui and Illinois. It is in there somewhere.

We have the team, with Bouldin, Harris, Meech, Gray and Sacre starting, to win a national championship. I think that is a positive thing to say. How much more positive can I get? I can look in the mirror just as I would look each of them in the eye and say, "The Zags can be National Champions".