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gozagswoohoo
01-25-2010, 07:15 PM
I keep trying to open the zags record back on the website, but I can't get it to open.

But doesn't Elias HAVE to be on track to give the record a run for it's money?

Any idea?

Once and Future Zag
01-25-2010, 07:49 PM
Interesting.

Now, our normal go-to guy for records is out since Frank Burgess didn't play for GU during his Frosh eligibilty season - from his bio he went to


Arkansas Agricultural, Mechanical and Normal College—now known as the University of Arkansas Pine Bluff

But his first season at GU was a ridiculous 603 pts

Other modern frosh scorers for reference: Santangelo: 356 // Stepp: 340 // Ammo: 352 // Daye: 347 // Bouldin: 303

Couldn't find McPhee or Jeff Brown's frosh stats but they would also be in this conversation.

Right now ELIAS: 305

SunDevilGolfZag
01-25-2010, 07:55 PM
Jeff Brown transferred from UW, I believe as a soph, but not sure.

sonuvazag
01-25-2010, 07:56 PM
I'm guessing McPhee.

gozagswoohoo
01-25-2010, 07:57 PM
Once and Future Zag, excellent, thanks for the numbers. Just curious, where did you get them? Were you able to pull up the zags record books on the website? Maybe I need to update my Adobe...?


So...Elias could essentially break the record in just 3 games? Or might there be a freshman we're missing?

U Zig, I Zag
01-25-2010, 07:58 PM
so.... you are saying he has got a chance????

http://imagineannie.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/dumb-and-dumber1.jpg

Harris is a stud. That's for sure. I know it wasn't NCAA play, but he is older (20) and played some 'advanced' ball in Europe. To me, he is a frosh (technically and in spirit) but some may not see him that way?


* edit: I think someone got offended like 'he has a chance' was rhetorical or something - I was actually referring to the line in Dumb and Dumber and the way Jim Carrey said it. I agree he DOES have a chance :)

Once and Future Zag
01-25-2010, 08:09 PM
Jeff Brown transferred from UW, I believe as a soph, but not sure.

That's right - my bad.

Once and Future Zag
01-25-2010, 08:11 PM
Once and Future Zag, excellent, thanks for the numbers. Just curious, where did you get them? Were you able to pull up the zags record books on the website? Maybe I need to update my Adobe...?


So...Elias could essentially break the record in just 3 games? Or might there be a freshman we're missing?

I have the record book downloaded from some earlier research I had done.

I also used http://statsheet.com/mcb for the players I was able to find data on.

Once and Future Zag
01-25-2010, 08:29 PM
Just found this: Jim McPhee 1986-87 season: 562 pts. (From the record book in the 13th highest scoring avg year)

That was his frosh year - correct?

If that's the case, and I think we can assume 11 remaining regular season games, and 2 WCC tourney, and 1 NCAA game - at his overall season average that would put him up to 529.

But... he runs out the season at his average for the last 5 (WCC) games - that would give him 615 (and the 9th highest season all time at GU)

Radbooks
01-25-2010, 09:46 PM
I'm counting on more than 1 NCAA game... :D

SunDevilGolfZag
01-26-2010, 04:27 AM
McPhee was 300pts. freshman year. 1985-86

Just curious, how many points Bryce McPhee had in his freshman year. Anyone know? He was another great GU player who was injury plagued later in his career.

kitzbuel
01-26-2010, 05:00 AM
Interesting.

Now, our normal go-to guy for records is out since Frank Burgess didn't play for GU during his Frosh eligibilty season - from his bio he went to



But his first season at GU was a ridiculous 603 pts



603 points!?

And that was without the three point line. Who knows how many points he would have had with his '40 ft set shot'.

bartruff1
01-26-2010, 05:07 AM
What were Lechman's numbers ...thanks in advance for your trouble...

Birddog
01-26-2010, 05:20 AM
I think Lechman only played his last two years at GU. IIRC he was like 25 or 26 and had been in the Navy prior to enrolling. I've been wrong before though.
For the record, Lechman had 405 pts in 19 games in 65/66 and that was his Jr year.

former1dog
01-26-2010, 05:41 AM
Just found this: Jim McPhee 1986-87 season: 562 pts. (From the record book in the 13th highest scoring avg year)

That was his frosh year - correct?

If that's the case, and I think we can assume 11 remaining regular season games, and 2 WCC tourney, and 1 NCAA game - at his overall season average that would put him up to 529.

But... he runs out the season at his average for the last 5 (WCC) games - that would give him 615 (and the 9th highest season all time at GU)

Jim was a senior in the year I was a Freshman at GU. That was '88-'89. Counting backwards, I think that makes '86-'87 Jim's sophomore year.

bartruff1
01-26-2010, 05:47 AM
I think Lechman only played his last two years at GU. IIRC he was like 25 or 26 and had been in the Navy prior to enrolling. I've been wrong before though.
For the record, Lechman had 405 pts in 19 games in 65/66 and that was his Jr year......I like the older players...Gary was really something to watch...As I recall, Burgess had been in the Air Force.

gozagswoohoo
01-26-2010, 05:52 AM
Just found this: Jim McPhee 1986-87 season: 562 pts. (From the record book in the 13th highest scoring avg year)

That was his frosh year - correct?

If that's the case, and I think we can assume 11 remaining regular season games, and 2 WCC tourney, and 1 NCAA game - at his overall season average that would put him up to 529.

But... he runs out the season at his average for the last 5 (WCC) games - that would give him 615 (and the 9th highest season all time at GU)

So is the number to beat 562? Or am I missing someone/something?

former1dog
01-26-2010, 05:55 AM
So is the number to beat 562? Or am I missing someone/something?

..

Ooops, according to this, I'm wrong.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/gonz/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/m-baskbl-recordbook.pdf

Once and Future Zag
01-26-2010, 06:41 AM
I'm counting on more than 1 NCAA game... :D

I was playing it a little conservative - don't want to seem presumptuous you know :)

However, now that I look a little closer at those numbers - when looking at career numbers it looks like the years listed are just the end years of their tenure.

Santangelo played from the 96-97 season to the 99-00 season, but he's listed as 1997-2000.


Jim was a senior in the year I was a Freshman at GU. That was '88-'89. Counting backwards, I think that makes '86-'87 Jim's sophomore year.

Your memory is correct.. that makes Jim McPhee's 562 in 86-87 his soph season.

We're right back to Santangelo with the highest confirmed frosh year.

It's a little disappointing that our records are so spotty for any years before the late 90's.

zag944
01-26-2010, 08:24 AM
is there a online GU record book besides the pdf one on Gozags.com? I dont think that one has been updated for a few years...

Once and Future Zag
01-26-2010, 09:11 AM
The most recent PDF on the official site from the 08/09 Media guide so current through 07/08 stats.

http://gozags.cstv.com/photos/schools/gonz/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/0809-mbb-mg-sec05.pdf

This year's media guide is up on some goofy flash-reader, and can be downloaded.

http://issuu.com/gonzagabulldogs/docs/2009-10_men_s_basketball_media_guide_aws