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BobZag
12-19-2009, 10:55 AM
1. Watch the Wisconsin tape. Meech needs to get up in Scheyer's grill and stay there, like Trevon Hughes did. Scheyer can be unsettled by a great defender, but that defender has to be focused and not too concerned with help.

2. Play a big lineup for stretches, to get Elias matched v. Singler

3. Elias needs to drive it when matched v. Singler. He is a solid technical defender, but not great against the bounce. And if Elias beats his man, he's got to be aware -- obviously, you know Duke knows how to draw the charge.

4. Steven has to shoot the ball. If he's not making shots, I don't see how Zags win.

5. You know it's Duke. They don't get a tough whistle very often. So Robert has to be aggressive without being careless.

May the Force be with the Zags.

drnoe
12-19-2009, 11:00 AM
Tip-off in about 2 hours... My 103+ fever feels like only about 100. Go Zags!

gamagin
12-19-2009, 11:01 AM
I believe we are ready to break away to nothing less than a full game and the timing couldn't be better.

We are the underdogs.

here are the lines from this morning:

Dec. 19 Gonzaga
1 p.m. at Duke
Favorite DUKE DUKE DUKE
Point spread -8½ -8½ -9
Total +154o/u +153.5o/u
Total money line -110 -110

so expectations and that sort of pressure should be in our favor.

We just go in and take care of business, the subs put in quality time and we do what we did to MSU for 2/3rds of a game, except we do it to Duke for 3/3rds.

And Have fun doing it.

Go TEAM Zags !

Air Force Zag
12-19-2009, 11:29 AM
Just saw the greatest thing in front of MSG. What looked like the Blue Devil mascot was walking towards the venue when two Zag fans held up Go Zags/no Duke signs. Stopped him cold! May not be many of us here, but there seem to be some fight in us. Whoever you two ladies were, bless you!

Akzag
12-19-2009, 12:09 PM
Go Irish!

(prior game is on, or exceeding schedule)

BobZag
12-19-2009, 12:20 PM
Matt is key. K shut down Raivio last time and Derek was a non-factor. If K puts Singler on Matt, it'll make things tough for our fearless leader but he has to overcome it, with lots and lots of help from his friends. No key Zag can sfford to put up a goose egg or just a couple points; everyone must rise to the challenge.

Great comeback by Xavier at Butler.

RenoZag
12-19-2009, 12:24 PM
Texas is smacking UNC around pretty good. . .breaks my heart, too. . .:p

MickMick
12-19-2009, 12:28 PM
I'm hoping that ND slaughters UCLA. For no other reason than I don't want overtime from that relatively meaningless game to spill over into our coverage.

GU69
12-19-2009, 12:39 PM
Notre Dame is looking pretty solid ... so the chances of no OT look good.

LMUZAG
12-19-2009, 12:40 PM
Watching the UNC - Texas game makes me a little sad. I wish we could have our game on ESPN so we enjoy 2 hours of his genius. ;)

Bulldog
12-19-2009, 12:42 PM
Looks like the game should start on time, thanks to UCLA continuing their losing ways.
I can't believe there isn't a game beverage thread!!! Biggest game of the year on a Saturday afternoon and no preferred beverages? Where am I?

Air Force Zag
12-19-2009, 12:45 PM
Unless my eyes are tricking me, the boys will be in black tonite.

BobZag
12-19-2009, 12:48 PM
I hope Matt is really, truly back to 100%. We'll know fairly soon in the game.

Akzag
12-19-2009, 12:56 PM
Let's Do This (thank you Irish)

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:01 PM
Butler v. Xavier... absolutely the worst officiated final minute of basketball I've seen in 10 years... talk about home court/official advantage. WOW

Jump ball possession arrow Butler????
Clock stops for 2 seconds during Butler's final possession???
And surprise... Butler scores with one second left to go up by one???

RenoZag
12-19-2009, 01:04 PM
HD Tv. . .check
Surround Sound cranked up. . .check
Suitable snacks. . .check
Suitable Beverage. . .check

Cell Phone off ? . . .check !!

Let's GO !!

Nevtelen
12-19-2009, 01:05 PM
Let's kick the tires and start the fires!

gamagin
12-19-2009, 01:07 PM
Drive ! !#

kitzbuel
12-19-2009, 01:08 PM
At the game! i'll post when I can

gamagin
12-19-2009, 01:09 PM
Wtf !!

gamagin
12-19-2009, 01:12 PM
I count 3 crap fouls already ! damn ! !

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:12 PM
I've seen enough of ACC officials this year...

whatazag
12-19-2009, 01:12 PM
Oh my god. Now I know what people are talking about when they say Duke gets the calls. Unbelievable.

RenoZag
12-19-2009, 01:13 PM
settle down, zags. . .lots of nerves

LMUZAG
12-19-2009, 01:13 PM
Zebras all Duke. Cmon guys overcome and be the better team!

LynetteG
12-19-2009, 01:13 PM
The refs are going to screw us!

this is great..../sarcasm

MEZAG
12-19-2009, 01:13 PM
Can see how this is going to go already. Dukies have 8 men on the court.

kitzbuel
12-19-2009, 01:13 PM
Foul on Gray was bogus! Defender was inside the arc

mtzaga
12-19-2009, 01:14 PM
Zebras all Duke. Cmon guys overcome and be the better team!

You beat me to it. Calls are all against us.

Nevtelen
12-19-2009, 01:14 PM
Wow. We have to beat Duke (which we should be) AND the refs. Gonna be a long night. These refs f-ing blow worse than WF's pocket refs,.

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:14 PM
Sacre needs to make his presence felt... we can beat Duke down low and we need to open up the 3 point shots more...

Once and Future Zag
12-19-2009, 01:15 PM
2 totally ridiculous fouls - Sacre, Harris.... and the one on Gray was a 50/50 call, so of course the refs want to keep K off their back.

caduceus
12-19-2009, 01:15 PM
4-0 Duke 15:54. Bouldin, Sacre, Harris all with a ticky-tack foul each.

ID ZAGFAN
12-19-2009, 01:17 PM
woulda thunk it--Will with the first points!:)

ID ZAGFAN

gamagin
12-19-2009, 01:17 PM
we are dominating under their basket. great !

gamagin
12-19-2009, 01:19 PM
we just gotta settle down and take it to them.

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 01:21 PM
Wow leading scorer 7 minutes in Wil Foster

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:22 PM
Hey... offense from our guards... way to go Bouldin... let's go...

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:24 PM
Opportunities for Sacre... need to finish...

zagirl2k
12-19-2009, 01:25 PM
will the first team to 20 win? not exactly an offensive explosion on either side but considering how we've started some other games, I'll take it!

Once and Future Zag
12-19-2009, 01:25 PM
Few's showing a lot of confidence in the bench to get things going.

And I love the "duck and cover" by Sacre to draw the foul.

YetiHater
12-19-2009, 01:26 PM
Tis an interesting game.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Just odd.

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:26 PM
GU is shaking off the cobwebs from finals week... it's gonna start clicking...

gamagin
12-19-2009, 01:26 PM
everyone's getting in shots, we aren't getting cheap calls for the present, our defense is looking excellent, RS seems to have found his f.t. range, and now it's a matter of getting looser and driving and finishing.

gmo
12-19-2009, 01:27 PM
extremely ugly game is starting to get prettier... especially as the Zags start hittin some shots here.

6-6 after 9 minutes?!

GO ZAGS!!!!

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:27 PM
OT... Hinckle Court should be boycotted by other NCAA teams... frustrating day for Xavier fans:(

gamagin
12-19-2009, 01:28 PM
THAT much !

whatazag
12-19-2009, 01:28 PM
Wow. Airballs. Guys must be nervous. We are lucky we are playing solid D and Duke isn't hitting shots.

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 01:29 PM
GOOD Gravy this is ugly

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:29 PM
When is Kong ever going to get in shape and play good d-fense:lmao:

Defense is keeping us in this game...

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 01:31 PM
Goodson is not helping But at least he kept him from shooting

gamagin
12-19-2009, 01:32 PM
recovered nicely !

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:33 PM
First team to 20 points wins...

gamagin
12-19-2009, 01:33 PM
back. we'll see if he can d

RenoZag
12-19-2009, 01:34 PM
Harris is stinkin up the joint

gamagin
12-19-2009, 01:34 PM
is we keep effing ourselves. Time to wake UP !

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:35 PM
Turnovers everywhere... not what we need to get the offense going in this game... I wouldn't say Duke is playing particularily good defense either... a lot of unforced errors

RenoZag
12-19-2009, 01:35 PM
Wasn't the last Duke contest a weird, low scoring affair ?

( Yep: 61-54 )

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 01:36 PM
Yeah, too bad he made the free throws.

I was just happy it was not a patented slap on the back 3 point play.

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:36 PM
Last meeting 61-54... low scoring 1st half as well...

MDABE80
12-19-2009, 01:37 PM
Harris is stinkin up the joint


Reno nailed it. We look sloppy. Harris is seriously needing to pass the ball. Just looks terrible.

bigblahla
12-19-2009, 01:38 PM
we're stinkin it up.

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:39 PM
Lesson for Zags... GOOD teams take advantage of free throws... Duke is getting points at the line...

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:41 PM
Turnovers are getting to be to common place with this team... we won't beat good teams averaging near 20 turnovers a game.

bballbeachbum
12-19-2009, 01:41 PM
sheyer gets that call o Steven? after establishing exactly what? come on zebras, let us play please

ticky tackers on us. unfortunately, still the same old Duke, can't get it going without help from the zebras

very poorly officiate ddoes not begin to tell it

Once and Future Zag
12-19-2009, 01:41 PM
And no calls on either of the off-the-ball fouls on Gibbsy

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 01:41 PM
Would be nice if the zags would run some offensive sets. This one on one garbage is not working.

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:43 PM
Gray just a little off today...

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 01:44 PM
This is where the lack of a point guard is killing them

Just A Zag
12-19-2009, 01:44 PM
can we bench gray now? 3 point foul on sheyer! come on

LynetteG
12-19-2009, 01:44 PM
yeah, and now the zebras swallow thw whistle with all that contact when GU tries to score! WTF!!!!

whatazag
12-19-2009, 01:45 PM
We look terrible, but this is really bad reffing too. Seems Gray always has a problem where he fouls closing out on the 3 point shot, happens a lot with him.

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:45 PM
Getting out of hand... good timeout...

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 01:45 PM
can we bench gray now? 3 point foul on sheyer! come on

OK who plays instead

rawkmandale
12-19-2009, 01:45 PM
Harris was pushed in the back on that layin attempt, and no call.

TimZag
12-19-2009, 01:45 PM
This is painful... our vets are playing like freshmen.

Rangerzag
12-19-2009, 01:46 PM
Things would look a lot better of some of those shots went in!

MEZAG
12-19-2009, 01:46 PM
That was actually a brilliant FLOP by Scheyer. Slow it down, Gray was off to the side of Sheyer and Sheyer swung his arm over to intercept Grays arm and flopped.

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:47 PM
Gray is miles away from where he was in the Maui invitational... his perimeter shooting is so critical for GU's offense...

Nevtelen
12-19-2009, 01:47 PM
Yep, this is our annual post finals beat down. We loose by 20. Why do we schedule big games after finals? It happens every freakin' time.

BobZag
12-19-2009, 01:47 PM
The offense went on Christmas vacation a day too early. Bummer.

bballbeachbum
12-19-2009, 01:47 PM
I say Manny Vandal...Gray playing well EXCEPT for the J...come on Steven!

bigblahla
12-19-2009, 01:47 PM
yeah, and now the zebras swallow thw whistle with all that contact when GU tries to score! WTF!!!!

Got that right.

Is Harris ever going to learn how to roll the ball off of his fingers instead of shooting off his palm?

LynetteG
12-19-2009, 01:48 PM
geeezzzzussss

another game where we have to dig ourselves out of a hole!!!!!!!!
come on guys!

timgozags
12-19-2009, 01:49 PM
bad on both ends... he should be sub'ed

gamagin
12-19-2009, 01:49 PM
FREE THROWS ARE FREE ! Make em

BJZags
12-19-2009, 01:50 PM
Very frustrating. Just call us Turnover-U. Between the stupid mistakes and the missed lay ups, dunks, and free throws, its like we are nervous playing the almighty Dukies.

RenoZag
12-19-2009, 01:51 PM
The harder they try the worse the results.

caduceus
12-19-2009, 01:51 PM
We're getting one shot at best per possession. Need to make shots or get some rebounds on O.

28-14 Duke, 2:25.

Saxon_zag
12-19-2009, 01:52 PM
Bouldin can't buy one either.. sacre going to the line... lets hope for 1 point here

gamagin
12-19-2009, 01:52 PM
have a shoot around instead of a half time chat.

they need the practice.

bigblahla
12-19-2009, 01:52 PM
Rob is playing soft.

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 01:55 PM
Just wondering when handchecking was legalized in college hoops

whatazag
12-19-2009, 01:55 PM
Why am I not surprised by that 5 second call?

Once and Future Zag
12-19-2009, 01:55 PM
Just wondering when handchecking was legalized in college hoops

I was wondering the same.

Nevtelen
12-19-2009, 01:56 PM
Rob is playing soft.

The problem is the minute he tries to do anything the refs call a foul on him. Or, on the other side, it doesn't get called.

BobZag
12-19-2009, 01:56 PM
Just an observation but it looks like the guys are overwhelmed by NYC, MSG, Duke, CBS, etc. The entire experience appears to be having an effect. The little shots missed, the silly turnovers, airballs from near and far, looks like nervousness to me.

timgozags
12-19-2009, 01:56 PM
very dissapointed

gamagin
12-19-2009, 01:57 PM
painful thing to watch.

RenoZag
12-19-2009, 01:57 PM
Well, we won't have to worry about this group resting on their laurels.

As Bob has said several times this season: they're young and on some nights they're going to struggle. Too bad the offensive results haven't matched the defensive effort.

primal23
12-19-2009, 01:57 PM
Just wondering when handchecking was legalized in college hoops

One must remember when playing Duke, Duke can handcheck, other team cannot.

gmo
12-19-2009, 01:57 PM
wow. 2nd ACC 1st-half blow out in a row here... not good.

Please do not complain about the refs - they have nothing to do with this. We are getting thoroughly outplayed right now by a very good team.

rawkmandale
12-19-2009, 01:58 PM
Terrible half, but the game isn't over. We have played some other stinker first halfs - remember Colorado?

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 01:59 PM
This makes 2 All-Time 1st half low point totals for Gonzaga...

19 versus Cinci and now 17 versus Duke...

bigblahla
12-19-2009, 01:59 PM
This is not on coach and staff this is brain dead b-ball.

Wind sprints and lots of them.

Bench Goodson and Sacre for the second half, teach them a lesson.

This is an embarrassment we have the best talent on the floor again no focus, nada ,zero, none. How can you play against Duke in the garden and be this bad and no it's not how good Duke is playing.

Gonzdb8
12-19-2009, 01:59 PM
Terrible half, but the game isn't over. We have played some other stinker first halfs - remember Colorado?

point taken. but colorado is no duke.

primal23
12-19-2009, 02:00 PM
Well, poop! That is all I can say. LOL! What else can you say?

Well I got a few things, but since this is a family board, well they can't be spoken :lmao:

wazmix
12-19-2009, 02:00 PM
Not crazy about the black anymore.

Heck, Johnny Cash could shoot better than this !!!!!!.......

I'll just call it the "Ring of Mis-Fire."

:(

GU69
12-19-2009, 02:00 PM
Just an observation but it looks like the guys are overwhelmed by NYC, MSG, Duke, CBS, etc. The entire experience appears to be having an effect. The little shots missed, the silly turnovers, airballs from near and far, looks like nervousness to me.

Ya, I'm thinking the same thing. 17 points in a half is ridiculous, but nothing is going in.

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 02:01 PM
can we bench gray now? 3 point foul on sheyer! come on

should we pull his scholarship as well, what a dumb post. Look at the replay if anything you give it up to Scheyer for pulling a World B Free, he initiated so much contact on that he could have been called for a charge.

rawkmandale
12-19-2009, 02:02 PM
We'll need to hit a couple of threes to open up the inside. Steven needs to do that in the first couple of minutes, or Matt or Bol Kong will have to.

Zagregious
12-19-2009, 02:03 PM
I love my boys, and fully expect to see a great second half, but this is not why you schedule these games.

The national attention we were looking for has been received. The people that we hope are watching this game have likely turned it off, opinions made, and moved on with their Saturday. The lasting impression going into conference play has been left. I hope hope hope they stay for the second half, and we change that.

It's probably a good thing I'm not a drinker right now. Awful basketball from a truly special team.

Maybe my expectations were too high.

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 02:03 PM
Outsiders can't be impressed with this Zag team... disappointing to see Gonzaga play SO poorly on the national stage and CBS exposure...

bballbeachbum
12-19-2009, 02:03 PM
it hurts, I can say that

I think you're right, BobZag, but Duke was nervous too, then got the help they needed. and Steven, bless his heart, missed some open looks we need to go down

misszigzag
12-19-2009, 02:04 PM
I think it would be wise to put the "blow out" comments on hold.

This year Gonzaga has proven to be a second half/come from behind team.

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 02:06 PM
This is not on coach and staff this is brain dead b-ball.

Wind sprints and lots of them.

Bench Goodson and Sacre for the second half, teach them a lesson.

This is an embarrassment we have the best talent on the floor again no focus, nada ,zero, none. How can you play against Duke in the garden and be this bad and no it's not how good Duke is playing.

Thats right make Sacre take the bus home. What are you talking about? I agree on Goodson, give GJ a chance he could not play worse. Sacre is getting killed inside, especially since duke is avoiding guarding goodson like he has chicken pox.

bigblahla
12-19-2009, 02:07 PM
The problem is the minute he tries to do anything the refs call a foul on him. Or, on the other side, it doesn't get called.

He's soft going up for his shot. I'm talking offense and yes I see the fouls but if he doesn't get meaner we have no hope.

primal23
12-19-2009, 02:07 PM
But to come back against from this far against Duke + Zebs? I know that the guys have the ability to do it, just think that the usual post finals is biting them in the arse.

Kong-Kool-Aid
12-19-2009, 02:08 PM
Well, at least we nearly held Duke to their season low.

Uhg,

We'll be out of the rankings next week at this rate.

Zagregious
12-19-2009, 02:09 PM
I think it would be wise to put the "blow out" comments on hold.

This year Gonzaga has proven to be a second half/come from behind team.

Thank you for keeping a level head, and trying to talk us down from the ledge we're all on right now!

DoMieD
12-19-2009, 02:09 PM
What a terrible display of basketball. Only 1 player looked like he belonged out there and that was Arop..

Still can't make free throws. Sacre still hasn't added another move to his repertoire and Duke just steps up and covers the middle and Sacre doesn't know what to do.

Bouldin looks lost. Gray scared to take a shot. Harris traveling, stepping out of bounds, carrying, fouling.

Awful display of basketball.

Oh yeah, doesn't help that the refs come out and call EVERY touch foul on us, and then late in the half, we get mugged and nothing..especially on the possession where Sacre got the Arop rebound and went back up with it twice.. a bunch of questionable calls, some on Duke too, but that's just to make it look legit :shrug:

primal23
12-19-2009, 02:11 PM
Well, at least we nearly held Duke to their season low.

Uhg,

We'll be out of the rankings next week at this rate.

No I don't think so, I mean as long as we can keep it to no more then what the point spread is at half, then maybe slip down to 20-23 ish, and hopefully UP will help out and smash the KFCUW.

caduceus
12-19-2009, 02:11 PM
Need to play our game. I don't know if we can dig our way back, but Few will make adjustments.

I don't think we made a trey the whole half. We'd be in this if we'd made a couple of 3's and hit our free throws.

Still have 20:00 to go!

rawkmandale
12-19-2009, 02:12 PM
Don't blame Sacre for any of this. He is having a better game than Harris, who HAS to adjust to the NCAA travel rules. Our guards are not playing well at all. Arop is helping quite a bit, though. KO is getting shoved around, and it doesn't look like he is going to get ANY ref help. Maybe try Sacre and Will Foster at the same time for a couple of minutes. BUT, nothing will go well until we hit some outside shots.

gamagin
12-19-2009, 02:13 PM
no one is in foul trouble & we, ufortunately, are used to being way behind at the half.

BobZag
12-19-2009, 02:14 PM
Tentative, intimidated and overwhelmed to this point. Simple as that. Duke is playing like Duke. Unfortunately, Gonzaga has some sort of nervous jitters. Hard to put a finger on it. Could be youth but the vets are just as much off.

Very odd.

We'll see if all this persists in the 2nd-half.

"Basement level for the Zags," says Clark Kellogg. He's right.

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 02:15 PM
Goodson's play was bush league, should have been called for a foul. Just play the game

RenoZag
12-19-2009, 02:16 PM
Gray & Bouldin look horribly out of synch tonight. . .Zags down by 20

DoMieD
12-19-2009, 02:17 PM
god this is ugly

Sacre continuing to do the SAME move, and again Duke steps up, and he loses it.. refs bailed him out.

gamagin
12-19-2009, 02:17 PM
even if we were standing in the doorway. It's a curse.

BobZag
12-19-2009, 02:17 PM
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of sync.

Wow. Just wow.

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 02:18 PM
Unless things change zags will have trouble breaking 30

primal23
12-19-2009, 02:19 PM
Wow, um is it stick a fork in it time?:(

gmo
12-19-2009, 02:19 PM
now we are playing awful defense to go with...

unbelievable.

bballbeachbum
12-19-2009, 02:19 PM
no excuses for all, including zebras...pa the tic

Just A Zag
12-19-2009, 02:20 PM
verne is trying to encourage this team. saying "there ya go" when we score....ultimate low for the zags

gamagin
12-19-2009, 02:20 PM
signs of life

gmo
12-19-2009, 02:21 PM
if we can scratch and claw it to 10 playing this bad... you never know. Get it to 10 wih 6-8 minutes left and we have a chance at a miracle finish.

bballbeachbum
12-19-2009, 02:21 PM
it's always possible though...this team has some heart. love it

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 02:23 PM
The Garmin commercial just may be the high point of the broadcast. At least there is an excuse to start drinking (or continue drinking)

primal23
12-19-2009, 02:24 PM
it's always possible though...this team has some heart. love it

This team does have fight in them, and they don't give up. Unlike myself, who throws the towel in every few minutes or so :o

wazmix
12-19-2009, 02:25 PM
"The good guys dress in black, remember that.
Just in case we ever face to face, and make contact."

Yep, it's a desperate time when I start quoting Will Smith.
:o

Birddog
12-19-2009, 02:25 PM
This has all the earmarks of a game played after a Zag fan wrote some bad poetry.

bballbeachbum
12-19-2009, 02:25 PM
the nerves, at least, look gone...single digits by 10 to go, who knows what might happen next?

primal23
12-19-2009, 02:27 PM
This has all the earmarks of a game played after a Zag fan wrote some bad poetry.

:lmao: :lmao:

bballbeachbum
12-19-2009, 02:27 PM
This team does have fight in them, and they don't give up. Unlike myself, who throws the towel in every few minutes or so :o

cheers!

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 02:27 PM
Zubek gets a love pat and goes to the line what a joke.

Rangerzag
12-19-2009, 02:27 PM
This has all the earmarks of a game played after a Zag fan wrote some bad poetry.

AGREE 100% Doomed from the moment of publishing!!!!!!

stevet75
12-19-2009, 02:28 PM
Why can't we get a rebound?!

BobZag
12-19-2009, 02:29 PM
I'm far from convinced that Matt is back.

Missed layups by Zags.
All net for Duke treys.

NEC26
12-19-2009, 02:30 PM
We are playing terrible but the refs simply do not call clear fouls. Kelly was obviously fouled on the way to the hoop.

gamagin
12-19-2009, 02:31 PM
amazing ! 3 layins missed

RenoZag
12-19-2009, 02:32 PM
And in Moraga, the Gaels are licking their chops.

Rangerzag
12-19-2009, 02:32 PM
I'm far from convinced that Matt is back.

Missed layups by Zags.
All net for Duke treys.


Said it before and now say it again.

Big, big game directly after finals. Bad timing.


No bunnies falling............................at all!

whatazag
12-19-2009, 02:32 PM
Olynyk having his worst game of the year. Get Manny back in.

gamagin
12-19-2009, 02:32 PM
needs to be replaced. he's clearly lost.

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 02:33 PM
Wow the whole team including staff needs to show some pride. One thing to be playing bad but this is silly. Game is over coaches need to give Arop, Kong, GJ a chance maybe they can spark something.

BobZag
12-19-2009, 02:34 PM
amazing ! 3 layins missed

4 or 5.

Matt is not Matt. I don't care what the SID says. He ain't back. Christmas break will be the best for Matt.

Lurknomore
12-19-2009, 02:34 PM
This is sad.

Once and Future Zag
12-19-2009, 02:35 PM
The guys are playing their hearts out.

To a certain degree I think that as heady as our freshman are, that we haven't implemented our full offense sets because of so many frosh is hurting here.

Kong-Kool-Aid
12-19-2009, 02:35 PM
First time in a long time, but I think I'm going to shut this game off... making me too angry.

Birddog
12-19-2009, 02:35 PM
You can spread the blame around among several Zags, total lack of focus it appears.

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 02:35 PM
Said it before and now say it again.

Big, big game directly after finals. Bad timing.


No bunnies falling............................at all!

All schools have finals, including Duke. No more excuses. You get beat you get beat. Right now they are getting run off the floor.

LMUZAG
12-19-2009, 02:36 PM
But a perfect coaching opportunity for the rest of the year. Zags could clearly be beating a great team, but indecision, poor fundamentals and execution are killing us. Sure some bad calls, but not enough to keep the game away from us. A back to the basics series of practices will keep them humble and hungry. They will be back.

Yes, I know the game is not over, but time to start building for March now.

billyberu
12-19-2009, 02:36 PM
Is it too much to ask of Few to put some shooters in? Please, no more Olynyk and no more zone.

webspinnre
12-19-2009, 02:36 PM
Matt's just not ready yet, clearly, and the guys need to start playing without expecting fouls to bail them out inside. Clearly they're just not being called on either end. More importantly, we just need to see some smart play. I'd like to see a bit of Bol and Arop down the stretch, see if they can bring a spark.

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 02:37 PM
Late December seems to hit the Zags hard... my hope is that this is temporary and doesn't carry over to the Oklahoma, Illinois and first 3 WCC games (on the road)...

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 02:37 PM
Wow Pac 10 with the doughnut against the top 25 ugly

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 02:38 PM
Still 0% from 3 point range...

billyberu
12-19-2009, 02:39 PM
WTF?? I'm not seeing heart and determination in this ass-whooping.

Nevtelen
12-19-2009, 02:39 PM
Said it before and now say it again.

Big, big game directly after finals. Bad timing.


No bunnies falling............................at all!

I've seen it every year. It happens yet the schedule still includes these type of games despite all evidence. I have no idea what it is, but whatever it is every Zag team plays horrible after finals. It's like clockwork. We couldn't beat Eastern today. Actually, Duke isn't even playing all that well, but I called it in the prediction and I'm sad to be right - it's the post-finals blowout rearing it's head. I hope we don't lose by more than 30. Ugly up and down the roster. Sacre is probably be playing the best, but even he's not doing that well.

RenoZag
12-19-2009, 02:39 PM
I'm guessing it won't be long before we get the obligatory "Few got outcoached again" thread. . .

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 02:40 PM
Why is Arop not getting more minutes in the 2nd half??? I like what he brings to the table... can't be worse than our other options today...

zagzilla
12-19-2009, 02:40 PM
By my count

9 layups missed
zero 3's
6 missed FT's

terrible

Once and Future Zag
12-19-2009, 02:40 PM
I just re-watched that last Gray foul - the ref was blowing the whistle right AS steven engaged contact with the ball - clearly decided it was a foul prior to the play.

billyberu
12-19-2009, 02:41 PM
I'm hoping we can crack 40pts.

gamagin
12-19-2009, 02:41 PM
Wow the whole team including staff needs to show some pride. One thing to be playing bad but this is silly. Game is over coaches need to give Arop, Kong, GJ a chance maybe they can spark something.

maybe even the trainers and the ball boys, too. complete & utter wipeout so far.

webspinnre
12-19-2009, 02:41 PM
The only thing I'd like to have seen from Few would've been a bit more Time-outs to break things up here in the 2nd half. Still, not much he can do.

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 02:42 PM
30 POINTS... on pace to beat 17 points in the 2nd half.

What a SNORE of a game... I was so excited for good basketball this afternoon.

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 02:42 PM
Not outcoached but coaching plays a part. The team has to be prepared and adjustments have to be made during the game.

Rangerzag
12-19-2009, 02:43 PM
All schools have finals, including Duke. No more excuses.


Just keep scheduling the same way and expect the results to change:roll:

gamagin
12-19-2009, 02:44 PM
arse to prove he can't miss. nothing like the confidence of a massive lead.

nuts.

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 02:44 PM
Duke... coast to coast in under 6 seconds for an uncontested short jumper for 2 points... the boys have checked out on Christmas vacation...

LMUZAG
12-19-2009, 02:46 PM
Just keep scheduling the same way and expect the results to change:roll:

Not trying to be offensive, but we could have scheduled Idaho in this slot and would have been beaten with this performance. Not trying to say we should not put a powerhouse in this slot, but I think our performance is terrible either way.

I will concede this is difficult to swallow in that it is high profile, nationally televised. But I think Portland St. and Utah stung just as much last year.

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 02:47 PM
Don't want to end this game with COMPLETELY pessimistic viewpoints. Can someone please help me pick out a positive from this game... I'm really working to be more optimistic and would appreciat the help.

Foster's 2 point jam is about all I'm coming up with... and that was in the first 2 minutes of the game.

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 02:47 PM
Duke is a much better team. This is what it looks like when an inferior team has an off night against a superior team. Hopefully the boys get better and win the WCC, because the out of conference play does not look good right now.

Zagregious
12-19-2009, 02:47 PM
I'm a bit blinded by the score and poor play, could anyone point out players that are doing the right things and rising up? I've never seen an entire Gonzaga game where there wasn't at least one....

RenoZag
12-19-2009, 02:48 PM
Put in the pine riders. . .the first team didn't cut it today.

silsbee
12-19-2009, 02:49 PM
Will.

That's all I've got.

LMUZAG
12-19-2009, 02:50 PM
I am finding myself rooting for the guys to score just enough to not get doubled up. :(

Saxon_zag
12-19-2009, 02:50 PM
This is the most embarassing performance from any zags team in "the decade of excellence"

wazmix
12-19-2009, 02:50 PM
More like "I-Go-Postal Classic" !!!!!
:confused:

If I wanted to see a team suck this much at MSG......I'd watch the Knicks !!!
:mad:

The Westminster Dogshow is there in February.
I nominate the Bulldog.
:(

(Sorry. Just trying to laugh at SOMETHING.)

gamagin
12-19-2009, 02:51 PM
the lads thought they were ready for, they were not. So if they need a reminder of what can happen when you don't focus, they need only watch any 2 mins of this game.

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 02:51 PM
My wife, the most optimistic person I know, can't even give me a positive right now. Her quote, "worst performance I can remember since before 1999." I'm still looking for a positive after watching this...

Lurknomore
12-19-2009, 02:51 PM
Why not let AP in?

krozman
12-19-2009, 02:51 PM
Will.

That's all I've got.

This. Absolutely everyone else played poorly. Complete team loss. No single person lost this game. A good lesson before march, i'd say.

madness
12-19-2009, 02:52 PM
Gonzaga needs to return to the basics...start with Free Throws and work up from there. Every weakness exposed today like a gushing wound.

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 02:54 PM
Has a Zag team ever committed more turnovers in a game than field goals? We may have a double digit minus differential before this one is over :(

billyberu
12-19-2009, 02:54 PM
The positives today?


The commercials.

ID ZAGFAN
12-19-2009, 02:54 PM
I am finding myself rooting for the guys to score just enough to not get doubled up. :(

that for several minutes.:mecry:

ID ZAGFAN

whatazag
12-19-2009, 02:55 PM
I'm a bit blinded by the score and poor play, could anyone point out players that are doing the right things and rising up? I've never seen an entire Gonzaga game where there wasn't at least one....

Arop is playing well. That is about it this game. Pretty strange that all of the rest of the people are having bad games. I really don't feel that Sacre is having as bad of game as some have been saying, he is playing a pretty normal game for himself, and is not really hurting us. Gray, Olynyk, Gibbs, Harris hurting the most, and obviously Bouldin is not not playing well.

LMUZAG
12-19-2009, 02:55 PM
Hurts like the Memphis game in the Spokane Arena. At least there was the bright spot of Meech in second half, but I am also trying hard to cling to something positive and struggling. The future is bright, but it is tough to see it right now.

They will be back though.....

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 02:55 PM
Gonzaga needs to return to the basics...start with Free Throws and work up from there. Every weakness exposed today like a gushing wound.

Yeah if they hit all of the FT's they would be within 20, that is the difference.

No execution on offense, too reliant upon Bouldin to carry the team. Those are the two reasons this team is losing. Few needs to shake things up ASAP.

vandalzag
12-19-2009, 02:57 PM
The positives today?


The commercials.

Heineken Light was on sale at Albertsons today

gamagin
12-19-2009, 02:57 PM
double and triple rob and we can't seem to find an answer. Mine would be either RS drive it and draw a foul. every time. Or dish it to either of the other two Zags who are standing somewhere with no one guarding him and he either drives or shoots and then they all crash the boards.

RS cannot go to the floor, bring the ball down to their level and hope to somehow then either dribble or move his arms back up through 4-6 arms and make a touch shot.

If and until we work that out for starters, everyone worth a hoot will just collapse on him and stay there until we make them play honest, imo.

Everything else follows, too, including the f.t.'s which are a function of hustling and doing the right thing and then capitalizing on what essentially becomes plan B of your scoring plan.

Next time.

TravelingZag
12-19-2009, 02:57 PM
On a positive note, no one has broken any bones!:D

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 02:59 PM
Possible all-time low score for Gonzaga??? I know before the Cinci game this year it was 23 points in a half. Right now we had 17 points in the 1st half and right now with 2 minutes left we have 19 points in the second half.

TravelingZag
12-19-2009, 02:59 PM
Our players without the ball need to spread it out. It looks like to many times there are two or three zags running around in the same area. More movement by the guys off the ball so when we get double teamed there will be someone open. Right now, when they double team us, we make it easy for one of their guys to cover 2 zags!

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 03:00 PM
Quote of the day from my brother in-law, "this is like a car wreck... I just can't look away."

bballbeachbum
12-19-2009, 03:00 PM
this hurts

zagzilla
12-19-2009, 03:00 PM
Prepare for a GU Board meltdown.

Mods will have their hads full

Probably going to stay away for a few days until the venting of spleens settles down

silsbee
12-19-2009, 03:00 PM
Hey! Mike Hart is playing!

Man oh man, wouldn't want to be in the locker room after this.

Does anyone know if they're all going to their respective homes after this, or do they go back to Spokane and have a few more practices?

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 03:01 PM
On a positive note, no one has broken any bones!:D

Found my positive... no injuries. Thank you TZ... have a great evening. I can now move on from this mess.

gamagin
12-19-2009, 03:02 PM
wow

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 03:02 PM
:clap:
Heineken Light was on sale at Albertsons today

BJZags
12-19-2009, 03:03 PM
Prepare for a GU Board meltdown.


I think the coaching staff will have a meltdown. Shame on the coaching staff for not having the team prepared to play this game.

MEZAG
12-19-2009, 03:03 PM
With Bol's 3 they didn't double our score! Positive?

billyberu
12-19-2009, 03:03 PM
Few: Poling! Suit up, you're in.

Poling: Awesome!

RenoZag
12-19-2009, 03:03 PM
Time to regroup. . .

LMUZAG
12-19-2009, 03:04 PM
Found my positive... no injuries. Thank you TZ... have a great evening. I can now move on from this mess.

Leaving the boards for a few days to let the front runners crash it, see you all in a few days.

Merry Christmas everyone! Be safe.

whatazag
12-19-2009, 03:04 PM
Time for Kong to get much more PT. We obviously have offensive problems for the first time in years.

GU69
12-19-2009, 03:05 PM
It's going to be a long plane ride back.

And a long time until the next game.

sullyzag66
12-19-2009, 03:05 PM
I guess the rumor that Zags could not make it to New York because of the weather was true. Thanks, Augustana, for stepping in. . .

ZagAddict
12-19-2009, 03:05 PM
On a slight positive note, we witnessed GU history today. If my math is correct, before the Cinci game the lowest GU point total in a half was 23. So before this season the lowest total possible score in a game would have been 46. Tonight we scored 41 points... history has been made in the MSG.

bballbeachbum
12-19-2009, 03:05 PM
need a beer, beers

RenoZag
12-21-2009, 07:12 PM
Box Score (http://www.gozags.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2009-2010/gonmb11.html#GAME.BOX)