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10-29-2009, 12:12 AM
Will any of these "recruiting reform package" proposals ever become approved?

It wasn't so much a demand as a suggestion: If Seth Greenberg was interested in getting a certain high school prospect to his campus for a camp, maybe he could find a paying gig for the prospect's summer-league coach. The coach could be a camp counselor, speaker, whatever would work.

Except Greenberg, the Virginia Tech head coach, has a long-standing practice of not hiring outsiders for his camps. So there were no jobs available for the coach.

No big deal, the summer-league coach explained.

Except, unfortunately, the prospect wouldn't be able to make it.

Welcome to college basketball recruiting 2009, where prospects may no longer be paid but can just as surely be bought.

Basketball prospects often come with a posse full of people with their hands out, looking for backdoor payments that may not land you a player if you pay them, but will assuredly eliminate you from consideration if you don't.

"It's legalized extortion," Greenberg said. "And what happens is you end up prostituting your value system because it affects your livelihood. If you're in the next-to-last year of a $1 million contract, what are you going to do? It's risk and reward."

The sport and its coaches have taken the hits up until now, criticized and shamed for finding ways to reinterpret the NCAA rulebook.

But the game could be on the eve of some drastic changes. And the people who are proposing the changes? Coaches.

Fed up and frustrated by the state of their game, coaches have contributed their opinions and feedbacks to a package of legislation that the NCAA Division I board of directors will consider on Thursday.

The recruiting reform package has one aim -- to curb the payola in college basketball -- and already has received the endorsement of the conference commissioners and the National Association of Basketball Coaches.

"There is a very strong feeling amongst our coaches that this money trail has got to be shut down," said NABC executive director Jim Haney. "We want to break down that perception that everyone has their hand out and is looking at colleges as a bank. I want to stress that it's not everyone who has their hand out, and certainly there are some among our coaching ranks more than willing to pay the money, but the overall feeling is it has to stop."

Among the meatier suggestions in the package:

Eliminating so-called package deals, making it nearly impossible for a college program to hire any of the myriad of hangers-on associated with prospective student-athletes.

Disallowing college coaches to subscribe to recruiting services run by people associated with prospects. This would curtail services offered by AAU programs (and others) that charge colleges to subscribe but sometimes offer little to no information on the prospect.

Preventing payment to nonprofit organizations benefiting summer-club teams, prospects or people attached to prospects.

Preventing coaches from hiring outsiders to work at their camps and clinics.

All are designed, in the words of Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, to "bright line" what is legal and illegal in a portion of the black-and-white rulebook that has been smudged gray.

The board of directors has the authority to enact some of the changes immediately. Most would go in effect by May 2010...

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10-29-2009, 10:26 AM
that's an interesting and revealing article.

It's pretty clear the rules, and "the rules" are quite different. The former are those set in stone by the NCAA and the latter are those that actually grease the wheels of amateur sports and make them roll forward.

there seems to be way too much gray area in which to navigate and therein lie the tales.

It's sort of up to each individual coach and team and school and alumns etc etc etc., to choose which level to deal on -- until success puts them in the spotlight and all "the rules" they have conjured up (like hiring practices associated with scholarships) come under scrutiny.

I am no longer optimistic that any organization in this day and age can keep up with the assaults on their rules, regulations, bylaws and original standards because most are forced to follow (and take) the big money that now rules & has permeated all levels of sports.

10-29-2009, 01:01 PM
One change that I would like to see is that any penalty(ies) brought would first and foremost be directed at the coaches and University staff. AS coach would no longer be able to waltz to a different school and take up where he left off, and the AD's and University Presidents, compliance officers etc. have shown an inability to do this part of their jobs. AD's and compliance officers should be looking for a new profession and U Pres. subject to a sizable fine and/or other severe reprimand.
The last people to suffer penalties should be the student athletes that were left holding the bag, and no way out.

10-29-2009, 05:05 PM
INDIANAPOLIS -- The NCAA has approved new rules on basketball recruiting intended to restrict money being funneled to third parties.

Think cleaning up the recruiting game is a hopeless cause? You're not alone. But those who don't have come up with potentially groundbreaking changes, Dana O'Neil writes. Story

The governing body wants to limit access by coaches from outside the NCAA who run camps and try to enlist players.

Effective immediately, coaches will no longer be allowed to employ a person associated with a prospective student-athlete at a camp or clinic, make payments to nonprofit organizations that a person associated with a prospect has either a proprietary or financial interest in, or use 1-900 telephone numbers for recruiting purposes. Coaches found in violation of any of the rules could be suspended from coaching regular-season or NCAA tournament games.

The rest of the package, which includes legislation aimed at stopping so-called package deals, will be sponsored by the board of directors. Member institutions will be solicited for feedback, with a vote on changes expected in April.

"I do think it will pass," Big 12 commissioner Don Beebe said. "It has the unanimous support of all of the commissioners and as commissioners, we represent what at least the majority of membership is feeling. We wouldn't support this so strongly if we didn't feel like it was something our members wanted.

"There's been so much concern about the culture of men's basketball and the unsavory influences. There are so many coaches who want to do the right thing but feel pressured to deal with these outside people. This helps put a stop to that.''

Because the proposed rule changes come with the support of the board of directors as well as the conference commissioners -- Beebe, SEC commissioner Mike Slive, Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and Conference USA commissioner Britton Banowsky attended Thursday's board meeting to voice their support -- they are expected to pass with only minor tweaks.

The proposals have met little resistance save for a suggestion that coaches no longer be able to hire anyone other than students and staff members from their respective campuses for camps and clinics.

The NCAA on Thursday also put in place a six-member committee to select a successor to the late Myles Brand as NCAA president. The group will be led by Oregon State president Ed Ray and is to meet Thursday night.

Ray replaces Georgia president Michael Adams, who is leaving immediately as the board's executive committee chairman. Adams is believed to be a top candidate for the NCAA president's job.

10-30-2009, 09:46 AM
I personally think that this effort could be greatly aided by the NBA scrapping its age limit rule. If somebody thinks a kid is gonna be the next great face of Nike or Reebock, let the kid go straight to the NBA and start his career there. Why inject a one year stint in college that simply interrupts the management process?

10-30-2009, 10:07 AM
The changes can be summed up as follows:


The NCAA Board of Directors voted in favor of the men's basketball recruiting reform package today. It's intention is to address the ways money is funneled to those associated with prospects.

Here is what will change beginning in the 2009-10 legislative cycle:

Non-coaching staff hiring practices: Schools won't be allowed to hire people in non-coaching positions associated with prospects two years before or after the prospect's actual or anticipated enrollment.

Institutional Camp/Clinic Employment: Schools are only allowed to hire its own staff members or enrolled students at its camps and clinics. No more paying AAU coaches, high school coaches and whoever else to work camps.

Recruiting Services: College coaches are no longer allowed to subscribe to recruiting services that are run by those associated with prospects. Many AAU coaches just send out a piece of paper and are paid in upwards of $1,000 by college coaches.

Donation to non-profits: Schools can no longer donate to non-profit organizations that are linked to summer travel programs.out a piece of paper and are paid in upwards of 1,000 by college coaches.