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RebornZag
04-02-2007, 07:42 PM
Congratulations to Florida Gators and Billy Donovan, staff and team. That's what I'm talking about. That's basketball. One of the better finals I think in some time. I love the way the Gators play the game. They did what they could against Odon. The bottom line was that Florida had too many good players....And a way better bench. Gonzaga, I believe is moving in this same direction. Florida had too many offensive weapons. And they play beautiful, unselfish basketball. Did you see all those 3's by Florida? We've talked a lot about Defense lately, and it's great, and important, but I want to see Gonzaga keep playing the way we've always played...trying to score 80 points. Bottom line...we got away from THAT THIS YEAR...

Too many times we walked the ball up court. That is NOT GU ball. I sure hope Few does not go to any slow down game. We do need low post players. Florida did have them...3-4, and 3 very good ones. Learn from that. Beatutiful, beautiful basketball tonight.

Bocco
04-02-2007, 07:52 PM
RBZ - with the players we have next year we could treat it like a hockey game just keep throwing new lines on the the court and run the other team into submission.

Northspokane
04-02-2007, 07:53 PM
his name is Greg ODEN

Northspokane
04-02-2007, 07:55 PM
Reborn, yeah all we need are lottery picks... Why didnt we do that early? Wow we are so stupid.....

Ziggy
04-02-2007, 08:00 PM
Ala Div III Grinnell (Iowa), three strings rotated every two to three minutes. They wore the other teams out and averaged 60 3pt. shots attempted per game and made 40%. Hmmm....

dawgman1999
04-02-2007, 08:34 PM
Congratulations to Florida Gators and Billy Donovan, staff and team. That's what I'm talking about. That's basketball. One of the better finals I think in some time. I love the way the Gators play the game. They did what they could against Odon. The bottom line was that Florida had too many good players....And a way better bench. Gonzaga, I believe is moving in this same direction. Florida had too many offensive weapons. And they play beautiful, unselfish basketball. Did you see all those 3's by Florida? We've talked a lot about Defense lately, and it's great, and important, but I want to see Gonzaga keep playing the way we've always played...trying to score 80 points. Bottom line...we got away from THAT THIS YEAR...

Too many times we walked the ball up court. That is NOT GU ball. I sure hope Few does not go to any slow down game. We do need low post players. Florida did have them...3-4, and 3 very good ones. Learn from that. Beatutiful, beautiful basketball tonight.

Reborn: players make coaches genius. But Billy D got them to play so unselfishly. UF has everything: Horford's rebounding, Noah's interior defense, Brewer's all around game on both end of the floor, Humphrey's deadly shooting from the 3, Green's somewhat shaky, but passable guard play + a super 6th man in Chris Richards. That's not even including a wealth of experience they gained last year. They have no weakness.

You said Gonzaga is moving toward that direction. Maybe the general style of play, but not the personel. All these UF guys were not highly recruited out of HS. Yet this year's team will turn up 3 lottery picks: Noah, Brewer and Horford. I think that's coaching. I don't see that level of talent in the Zags roster... yet.

How Daye, Sacre, Davis and Brown will turn out. How will Bouldin and Pargo handle the point. Will Pendo provide the leadership, and how will Heytvelt and Downs face adversity? The talents are there, but it's going to take time to put everything together. As beautiful as UF played in this final four, it didn't come together until their sophmore year. In the past 15 years, they are the only team that repeat as NC. MANY, MANY teams have great rosters, but they never repeat. Gonzaga needs to get to a FF first before you can compare your team to this year's Florida team.

CDC84
04-02-2007, 08:55 PM
Gonzaga has got a gazillion miles to go before they can even be mentioned in the same league as Florida, but I think Reborn does make some valid points that I have been making all along....that the Gators are the model that Gonzaga needs to follow. The two programs share so much in common in terms of their overall team philosophy (especially offensively) and how they want to beat opponents.

Florida is the example of how such a philosophy can work at the highest level if the players play unselfishly with confidence and skill. They are kind of proof that Gonzaga is on the right track.....although the Zags have so much work to do before they can even get close to the Gators.

RebornZag
04-02-2007, 09:14 PM
CDC: and we are linked to the Gators forever. We can never forget our victory over them in '99. I am totally amazed at how many disbelievers there are in the Zag camps....unfrickingbelievable. But fortunately there are many, many, many who believe. And unfortunately, they do not post here too often, and most not at all. ZagNation is alive and well.....I will never pay to much attention to the doubters........their role in life is to inspire us to greater heights.......if for no other purpose than to prove them wrong. :lmao:

You would be so totally surprised at how CLOSE we are to being in the same realm (another name for League) as the Gators. We're a lot closer then CDC believes. In my opinion. Or maybe I'm just not understanding what he means when he says, "Gonzaga has a gazillion miles to go before they can even be mentioned in the same league as Florida." Maybe a gazillion miles is less than a mile. But it sounds like a long, long, long ways. Why are people so timid and afraid to admit that Gonzaga has a very good chance of being a heck of a team next year. Are you afraid of being called a Pollyanna? God forbid!!!:(

sonuvazag
04-02-2007, 09:22 PM
Why are people so timid and afraid to admit that Gonzaga has a very good chance of being a heck of a team next year. Are you afraid of being called a Pollyanna? God forbid!!!:(

"You can't build a reputation on what you're going to do." --Henry Ford.

RanchZagFan
04-02-2007, 09:26 PM
RBZ, you show admirable persistence in your optimistic outlook for next year's squad. I think you're a bit blinded by your love of the Zags, but so what? Call your shot then. Make whatever assumptions you want regarding NBA departures for other teams, lack of injuries, best case production from Zag players, etc. What will be the Zags' preseason ranking and how far will they go in the tournament? For the record (and making certain assumptions), I think the following are the teams with the best chance to cut the nets next year:

KU
UCLA
UNC
Memphis
OSU
Louisville

Bocco
04-02-2007, 09:27 PM
"You can't build a reputation on what you're going to do." --Henry Ford.

True you build a reputation on what you have done, and Gonzaga's reputation has been built on what it has done, but with that also comes expectation both by the players who have committed to Gonzaga and by the fans. Right now some very good players have committed to Gonzaga, and so the expectation are high.

In the next couple of years we will find out if these expectation come true.

lothar98zag
04-02-2007, 09:28 PM
(back to the initial thread topic)


Congrats to the Gators.

I was not looking fwd to this game, but I found myself rooting for Florida not too long into the game after not cheering them once the whole season - (not that I hate them or anything, I was mostly impartial to them)

Congrats on 2 in a row.

sonuvazag
04-02-2007, 09:30 PM
Henry Ford was an optimist.

dawgman1999
04-02-2007, 09:31 PM
Reborn: what is your definition of close? If the 2 teams play today, it's not even a game. They beat OSU and UCLA by about 10 points each, and the games weren't really that close. If they play the Zags, it's at least a 20 pt beating. They have 3 inside guys that are WAY better than Kuso. Brewer can shut down Downs at any time. And if the Zags can't guard the 3's all year, or for the last several years, how can they have a prayer to stop Humphrey, Hodge, Brewer and Green from outside. A superior starting 5, a superior inside game, a superior defensive team, a superior coach, a superior bench and a superior back court, more importantly, an unselfish bunch of guys with only 1 goal. How is that being close?

Northspokane
04-02-2007, 09:32 PM
GUs has done great things for what we have BUT dreaming about a final four when you have never been to one. Or an elite eight when you never been to one under the Mark Few head coaching era. It would be best for people to be postive and realisitic and perhaps get suprized rather talk about the highly improbable like it is outrageous if it doesnt happen.

sonuvazag
04-02-2007, 10:07 PM
Appearing in four Sweet 16's over nine years does create the expectation that the Elite 8 is not merely dreamland. This year's team faced turmoil and exceeded expectations by getting to the tournament. I'm proud of them, though they did not achieve the highest possible results. Next year's team has the most talent and depth of any Zag team in history, AGAIN. And I, for one, don't want to be caught up in a specific expectation, but can't help thinking they'll be great.

You realize, Northspokane, that we return a load of talent and bring in a recruiting class ranked #11 in the nation for next year, right? No one in that class which includes three top 100 players and a stellar juco transfer has a clear shot at starting. GU fans are not going to be the only ones with the expectations. That is where I think you need to be realistic. The public at large will expect GU to do well. Even if we say it's all good no matter how it goes down, the national pundits will set goals for us.

The team will return to the Top 25 and face the same scruitiny as past years. We're going to support them and hope for the best. What else do you expect from a fan?

RebornZag
04-02-2007, 10:22 PM
dawgman: Like I said, closer than a gazillion miles away. Like some think.
I wasn't talking about this years Zag team without without Josh, Davis, LG, Ira Brown, and a Micah Downs with a completely different role. I'm talking about next years Zags team.

Here is what close looks like to me:

Josh Heytvelt=14 pts Horford=16 pts
Downs=14 pts Brewer=16 pts
Pargo=11 pts Green=12 pts
Bouldin=9 pts Humphrey=13 pts
Davis=9 pts Noah = 9 pts
Pendo=11 pts Richards=11 pts
Kuso =4 pts ??? = 5 pts
Ira Brown = 7 pts Hodge = 5 pts
Sacre = 3 pts

82 87

Northspokane
04-02-2007, 10:28 PM
I agree sonuvazag, but there are posters here that are comparing the zags to a back to back champion. I just think zags shouldnt talk like that until we get there. We should say "hey we have talent lets see what happens" instead of "we should go to the final four easy" But nothing like hoping for the best i guess. I just want a team effort instead of morrison "me first" or Heytvelt "I pick myself over my teammates" I want a mark spink team

lothar98zag
04-02-2007, 10:40 PM
I must have missed it.

Please show me where someone said, "we should go to the final four easy."


Thanks in advance.

Northspokane
04-02-2007, 10:44 PM
When you constantly compare a team to a back to back champion thats kind of an assumtion. ^ Reborn

FuManShoes
04-02-2007, 10:50 PM
Watching tonight's game, as pretty much each of Florida's players contributed to another chamopionship, I wondered if any of the Zags could start on this team. I'm tempted to say no, but maybe that's not fair. If Florida has shown anything, it's that a complement of solid players can and often will beat a team featuring a superior player. There are lessons to learn from watching Florida, even if a team can't match their talent level. Humphrey knows his role and doesn't deviate from it. He hits dagger threes, over and over again. He can't possibly be quicker than Raivio, yet he got shots off against an athletic team by moving without the ball and having teammates set some serious screens. He's got such confidence on the big stage. I think they said he shot 18-35 from three in the last two Final Fours. Noah doesn't have much of an offensive game, but he cleans the boards relentlessly. How many one-handed boards does he grab when other players are around? Brewer is a special talent. He's skinny and doesn't have the best handle or jumper. But he's relentless and makes plays on both end of the court. Micah Downs can be that player. The Gators really seemed to pick each other up, bail each other out and find each other on spots where each man could contribute. The Zags showed glimpses of that kind of teamwork at times this year, but nowhere near the same level of fire and precision. Guys like Bouldin, Pargo, Downs and Heytvelt can become this type of team (in terms of teammwork). But to do it, they'll need some bigger bodies, better conditioning and a much bigger commitment to defense.

RebornZag
04-02-2007, 10:52 PM
I also think close could be reaching the Elite 8, and just missing making the final 4 by like 2 or 3 pts...like what happened against UCONN IN '99. The year we BEAT Florida who had Billy Donovan as coach. I'm not sure if Gonzaga will ever be as good as this Florida team. In many ways they are a very unique group of guys. Back to back is pretty hard to do. That's why I said we might be in the same League as them, meaning making it to the final 4 and winning a championship. Close may mean two years away. Or 3. But it could also mean next year. Because you never know what is going to happen in college basketball....But we do have the players I think who are capable of that. Capable NEVER means it will happen.

sonuvazag
04-02-2007, 10:54 PM
As we near the momentous post 1000 by lothar, i'd like to say, more cowbell.

Let's say I'm a internet company which already has some momentum and I'm looking to go public and I say to potential investors, who should we strive to be more like: Yahoo or Google. If the response is Google for certain reasons, I don't think a direct comparison is being made. No one will confuse a startup with Google even though Google's success is very fresh, unexpected, and attainable.

Google=Florida
Yahoo!=UCLA
Gonzaga=Gonzaga

jayray
04-03-2007, 09:15 AM
One of the better finals I think in some time.

Huh? You could see the writing on the wall before half time. By the 10 minute mark it was basically a done deal. By 5 minutes there was no doubt in my mind. Hardly a good game. Two 1 seeds in the final, the lowest seed in the elite 8 was a 3. Besides a few games this could have been the least exciting tournament ever. Very little madness in March.