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Angelo Roncalli
05-06-2009, 04:10 PM
Released today.

WCC MBB:

USD 981
GU 975
SCU 963
UP 953
LMU 949
SMC 931
Pepp 892
USF 875 (but won't receive further sanctions because of "improvement")

lothar98zag
05-06-2009, 04:26 PM
Pep joins USF under 925? Huh? That's unfortunate...I guess it's related to their coaching sideshow last year...

Hopefully they can both get back over 925 next year.

CDC84
05-06-2009, 04:35 PM
Hopefully the more stable coaching situations at USF and Pepperdine will help their future APR ratings. Those schools experienced so many unexpected player departures the last few years that their respective APR's were bound to take a hit. Maintaining academic progress is a tough thing to do when a basketball program has no stability at the top.

lothar98zag
05-06-2009, 04:37 PM
additional info -

1) just skimmed the data and saw that just 3 WCC teams fell below the magical 925 level - the two listed above & LMU's women's tennis team.

2) see this link for honors given to GU & WCC teams w/ very good APR #s - http://guboards.spokesmanreview.com/showthread.php?t=20559

mainer6
05-06-2009, 06:36 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but what does APR stand for and what does it say about a program?

ZagNative
05-06-2009, 06:40 PM
From the Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2009186414_apr07.html):

Washington had a score of .... 956 in men's basketball — ahead of the Division I average of 934.

WSU had a ... men's basketball score of 946.Edited to add explanation from WIKI of the APR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Progress_Rate) (Academic Progress Rate)

The Academic Progress Rate (also known as APR) is a metric established by the NCAA to measure the success or failure of collegiate athletic teams in moving student-athletes towards graduation.
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Collegiate sports teams that fail to achieve an APR score of 925 - equivalent to a 50% graduation rate - may be penalized with the loss of scholarships. A perfect score is 1000.
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The APR is designed to measure semester-by-semester academic progress, and is separate from the Graduation Success Rate (GSR), which only aims to measure the actual percentage of student-athletes who graduate, thus omitting students who would have graduated but left school early for non-academic reasons (such as a professional career).

RenoZag
05-06-2009, 08:08 PM
So are there any programs on double secret probation ?

ZonaZag
05-07-2009, 10:10 AM
EWU basketball got a 901 and is on the list for penalties.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=49709

ZagNative
05-07-2009, 11:00 AM
Losing two scholarships, per a Rivals story (http://www.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=943457) ...

Division I men's basketball programs losing two scholarships aside from Georgia Tech, Indiana and Ohio State were Ball State, Kennesaw State, Pepperdine and San Francisco. IUPUI lost three.

The "major conference" programs to lose one scholarship are Auburn, Colorado, Purdue, South Carolina and Tennessee. Rotnei Clarke's Arkansas Razorbacks get the same public notice EWU does.

Here's a list of the 38 Division I men's basketball programs hit by scholarship sanctions. (There were 53 last year). The typical limit is 13 scholarships.
Arkansas: Public notice
Auburn: Limit of 12 next year
Ball State: 11
Chattanooga: 12
Colorado: 12
Delaware State: 12
Eastern Washington: Public notice
George Washington: 12
Georgia Southern: 12
Georgia State: 12
Georgia Tech: 11
Grambling: Public notice
Illinois-Chicago: 12
Indiana: 11
IUPUI: 10
Jacksonville State: 12
Kennesaw State: 11
Louisiana Tech: 12
Morgan State: 12
Ohio State: 11
Oral Roberts: 12
Pepperdine: 11
Portland State: 11
Prairie View: Public notice
Purdue: 12
San Francisco: 11
South Carolina: 12
Southeast Missouri: 12
Southern Utah: 12
Tennessee: 12
Tennessee-Martin: 12
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi: 12
Texas Southern: 11
Texas State: 12
UAB: 12
UC-Santa Barbara: 12
UT- San Antonio: 12
Western Illinois: 12

sittingon50
05-07-2009, 06:16 PM
Hmmmmmm.........

cbbfanatic
05-07-2009, 07:40 PM
interesting little academic sweet 16 and beyond from this years bracket...

http://www.newamerica.net/blog/files/Bracket%20GR.PNG

http://www.newamerica.net/blog/files/Bracket%20GSR.PNG

http://www.newamerica.net/blog/higher-ed-watch/2009/third-annual-academic-march-madness-10753

lothar98zag
05-08-2009, 10:57 AM
interesting little academic sweet 16 and beyond from this years bracket...





http://www.newamerica.net/blog/higher-ed-watch/2009/third-annual-academic-march-madness-10753
those barely tell more than the bracket someone did based on avg earnings of the school graduates.



does someone want to make an APR Sw16?

ZaginLaw
05-08-2009, 12:02 PM
Has anyone sent the link and information to that journalist in USD land who fretted that academics are going to get tossed out the window when Coach Grier arrived?

That journalist seemed to spread doom and gloom and insinuated GU was a poor academic University. I recall many on this board had to educate him about academics and the Zags.

Angelo Roncalli
05-08-2009, 12:42 PM
Wow.

Read the article from which these sweet 16 graphs are extracted. The author appears to be an ivory tower academic...armed with a large axe to grind.

The author throws out a lot of half-truths and misrepresentations as authoritative.

For example, she writes: "Two teams, Arizona and Gonzaga, failed on average to graduate even a single black player over the classes that entered school from 1998 to 2001."

The sentence isn't a model of clarity or syntax. Does "over" mean "from?" Likewise, what does "on average" mean?

Damany Hendrix was a freshman in 98/99; he redshirted and never played a game in a GU uniform (pretty tough to say GU exploited him for athletic success if he never scored a point). After he transferred, he graduated from Lamar. He was the only black player to "enter school" at GU that season.

Germayne Forbes was a black athlete who entered school at GU in 99/00. He redhsirted, then played the following two seasons, after which he transferred to and graduated from W. Georgia.

The new players on the roster in 00/01 were Anthony Reason, Alex Hernandez (both JC transfers, both black and both of whom graduated) Cory Violette (white, graduated) Blake Stepp (white, graduated, third team/second team academic all-american), Kyle Bankhead (white, graduated, 3-time WCC all-academic team), Dan Dickau (white, graduated, 2-time WCC all-academic, first team academic all-american).

New players the next season 01/02 were Winston Brooks (transfer, black, graduated), Dustin Villepigue (white, transferred to UNLV, graduated from UNLV), Brian Michaelson (walk-on, white, graduated), Ronny Turiaf (black, graduated), Erroll Knight transferred to GU this season and sat out his redshirt year--he is black and graduated.

So...a more correct statement would be "every black black basketball athlete who entered school at Gonzaga from 1998 to 2001 graduated from college. Five of the seven black athletes who became part of the Gonzaga program during this period received bachelor's degrees from Gonzaga."

CDC84
05-08-2009, 01:15 PM
Has anyone sent the link and information to that journalist in USD land who fretted that academics are going to get tossed out the window when Coach Grier arrived? That journalist seemed to spread doom and gloom and insinuated GU was a poor academic University. I recall many on this board had to educate him about academics and the Zags.

I'm sure someone will dig up the link, but it is true....several posters had to inform that San Diego journalist that the NCAA uses the APR to measure academic progress as opposed to graduation rates. Grad rates are an inaccurate way of measuring academic progress due to the amount of transferring that occurs within college basketball, not to mention guys leaving early for the NBA. For instance, if federal grad rates were used, Gonzaga would not have been given credit for graduating JP Batista, who was a distinguished student while he was at Gonzaga.