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  • hoopster777
    Kennel Club Material
    • Nov 2007
    • 217

    Why does the NCAA...

    ...allow for players to return despite not hiring an agent? What is the advantage for teams waiting for two months if a top player is going to return, screwing over the chances for that program to spend its resources elsewhere?

    It seems to me it puts the programs at an unfair advantage, since if a player decides at June 16 he does in fact want to stay in the draft, despite having poor chances of getting drafted, and the program could have used the scholarship to get in another player. If a program had 3-4 potential underclassmen to jump, that could be devastating for a program the following year. This seems like a rule that desperately needs to change. If a player decides hes going pro, he lives with his decision.
    Last edited by hoopster777; 04-15-2009, 04:20 PM.
  • CDC84
    Super Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 13083

    #2
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    The ACC has put forth a proposal to make the deadline earlier. The NCAA is going to listen to them this summer, but they will likely reject the idea due to some of the reasons described in this article from October 2008:



    College coaches say the extended draft process leaves them in limbo for too long regarding the composition of the following season's team. They complain that the withdrawal deadline comes too long after the spring signing period for them to find able replacements for players who depart ahead of schedule. That's either silly or disingenuous. You can vote on that. Because every coach knows well that if he loses a draft-quality player in April, May or June, there is no hope there'll be a player available who's either talented enough or eligible enough to replace him. They're taking commitments from ninth- and 10th-graders now. Searching for an unsigned senior in the spring of his senior year is like picking through a music-store cutout bin. You're not going to find a Beatles record.
    This is such a grand, epic mistake.....It's based entirely on the coaches' self-interest -- not what is best for the college game, the sport in general or the players who make it all work. The real "problem" here is this process makes a coach's life tougher for a few months. That's absolutely true. He's got to deal with the player, the parents, the teams, the unreasonable dreams. But this method also leads to fewer false-positives than an April deadline would.

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    • lothar98zag
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      • Feb 2007
      • 12372

      #3
      How about - don't recruit players that could leave early...
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      • hoopster777
        Kennel Club Material
        • Nov 2007
        • 217

        #4
        Originally posted by lothar98zag View Post
        How about - don't recruit players that could leave early...
        No offense, but thats a ridiculous statement. Did anyone anticipate Ammo to be as good of a college as he was? How about Rodney Stuckey, a two star out of high school and 5 years later he's the starting point guard for the Pistons. Many 5 star recruits don't pan out. Many two and three star recruits develop their game and jump early.

        The point of college athletics is business and offering the chance for student athletes to succeed. This June 16 rule fails on both accounts. Scholarships for this year are left on the table, and teams cannot prepare to put a product on the floor until that date. And in response to that article the other poster included, if right now is the time teams are picking through the scraps looking for a diamond, how come some of the top college players are still undeclared? Wall, Stephenson, and now Henry all are without a university. Whose to say a school like UNC losing 3 underclassmen couldn't open up a scholarship to land one of those guys. Or in our case, if Daye decides not to come back, whose to say we don't find another guy who fits our style of play who could take the last scholarship. Its just a ridiculous deadline that seems to put a disadvantage on many programs.

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        • mgadfly
          Zag for Life
          • Feb 2007
          • 1689

          #5
          Now we are worried about the NCAA being unfair to the schools?

          The team doesn't have to hold the scholarship open if they don't want to. They can give it to a recruit at any time. It is a perfectly fair system except for the part where the school can take a scholarship from a player at will and the schools make oodles of money off their entertainment talent in exchange for $10,000 per year in tuition [I know that is over-simplified].

          Sorry if I'm not going to cry for the poor NCAA schools.

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          • CDC84
            Super Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 13083

            #6
            And in response to that article the other poster included, if right now is the time teams are picking through the scraps looking for a diamond, how come some of the top college players are still undeclared? Wall, Stephenson, and now Henry all are without a university. Whose to say a school like UNC losing 3 underclassmen couldn't open up a scholarship to land one of those guys.
            I can explain it very easily. It's actually quite simple.

            You're talking about 3 or 4 top players, max, who are even remotely capable of replacing NBA quality college players. And those 3 or 4 players always go to the same 5 or 6 factory schools. It works the same way every year. There are always a few guys who wait until the spring to sign because they know that programs like North Carolina and Kansas will lose guys early to the draft, and they are just waiting to see which school loses the guy that plays at their position. For instance, as soon as Ty Lawson makes his announcement, you will likely see John Wall sign on the dotted line to be the next UNC point guard. If Ty shocks everyone and elects to stay, Wall will probably head up the road and play at Duke. It always works that way. It's the same 5 or 6 coaches who are involved, and they are just waiting to see which kid lands in their lap.

            There are also always a couple of other top 100 kids lingering around in the spring because they have academic and eligibility issues. Most of them will not be playing D-1 college basketball next season. Sometimes a good juco emerges in the spring, but that's it. Almost everyone who is talented enough to play at a high major school has signed with someone by now. Unless you are a guy like John Wall, who every factory school wants, you would be absolutely stupid to wait until the spring to sign with a team because most
            D-1 teams have used up their schoolie limit. There are very, very few school choices available by now.

            The majority of these kids that "test the process" come back to school. You are not going to see scores of coaches on the street trying to fill empty spots on their roster. What they are going to have to deal with is a little bit of anxiety for the next couple of months. I'm sorry, but the anxiety of the coach - who is very often a multi-millionaire already - matters less than the kid's right to test the process, get feedback, and make an informed decision that will effect the rest of his life. The game is about the players. A kid can't make that huge of a life decision without working out for several NBA teams and getting feedback, and they can't make that kind of decision while they are attending classes and playing in the NCAA Tournament. Well, they can if they are Kevin Durant or Derrick Rose, but those are special cases.

            And in regards to Gonzaga and Austin Daye.....there's no one that can replace him. No one. There's zilch. And they don't need to anyway, because they have plenty of guys who can play his position. Like other smart coaches, Few and Co. would likely give the open schoolie to a walk on who won't gripe about playing time. Then they can use that schoolie to recruit several top 100 level 2010 kids who are vastly superior to what's available right now.

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            • Frazzle
              Kennel Club Material
              • Feb 2007
              • 115

              #7
              I, for one, like the current rule.

              Often times, 19-20 year old kids make rash decisions that are not in their best interest, or so I have heard. It would be a shame to allow a talented kid to decide to enter his name into the draft on a whim (or a dare, as I was often suckered in college) and get left out on draft day with no education and no real playing prospects when another year or two in college could allow them to devolop as a better player, earn an education, and mature as a person.

              What is more, Europe is not the answer. European teams can only pay so many kids top dollar...and there is a restriction on the number of US kids on their rosters, I believe. Just my two cents.
              Last edited by Frazzle; 04-16-2009, 09:31 AM. Reason: grammar

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