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MDABE80
03-14-2009, 12:06 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

DoMieD
03-14-2009, 12:10 PM
Saint Marys back in the field

ZagNative
03-14-2009, 12:13 PM
Palm has the same projection (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/11233762) for the Zags today - #4 in Boise vs. Cleveland State

Sarenyon
03-14-2009, 12:17 PM
SMC just barely... that's gonna be a very difficult choice for them.

I still can't believe the Big 10 is getting this many teams in. WTF??? They are not very tough and I will be surprised if any but one of them get out of the first weekend.

I like our chances to get to the second weekend in this bracket, but that meeting with Pitt will be huge and tough... I'd rather see some of the other number ones besides them, but that's just me.

Well more is still yet to be decided.

to steal someone elses sig: "Beat the next guys"

Nevtelen
03-14-2009, 12:20 PM
Palm has the same projection (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/11233762) for the Zags today - #4 in Boise vs. Cleveland State

I would totally take that. Cleveland St is pretty good, I think, but beatable. Not a great 3-pt shooting team, athletic but not particularly long... good for GU. Though, actually, I'd rather play Utah St, who Palm has playing UCLA in a 5-12 game. Utah St has a good ranking, but will be a pushover in the tourney (if they make it - I think they have to beat Nevada to get in).

Interesting that both projections have SMC in.

VinnyZag
03-14-2009, 12:41 PM
If we're going to be a 4 or 5, I'd LOVE a rematch with No. 1 UConn. Definitely don't want to see Pitt.

dpouley
03-14-2009, 12:46 PM
SMC just barely... that's gonna be a very difficult choice for them.

I still can't believe the Big 10 is getting this many teams in. WTF??? They are not very tough and I will be surprised if any but one of them get out of the first weekend.


I agree 100%.

Big10 = Big Yawn

I would rather see bubble teams like Florida, Arizona, and Auburn than the boring teams from the Big10. But that is just my personal opinion.

dawgfather11
03-14-2009, 01:09 PM
hmm just looking at how things are shaking out, zags need to be rooting for FSU and the Illinois/Purdue winner to lose in the championship games because if both win their 4 seed could be in jeopardy. Definitely could easily see both of them moving from their 5 seeds to a 4 with GU and UCLA both dropping to a 5

dim4sum
03-14-2009, 01:28 PM
There is so much parity nowadays with the real stars seldom advancing to the sophomore level. Forget about the seedings, it's about getting hot at the right time and winning six in a row.

DixieZag
03-14-2009, 02:05 PM
It is absolutely maddening and fruitless trying to project what would be better/ when. I spent 5 minutes looking at Lunardi's bracket hoping that we would not have to face Florida State in the second round. THAT is silly, we need to worry about our game, bringing the mojo we have had and play the guys on the other side. On the other hand, FSU winning the ACC semi's pretty much ensures they will not be a 5, they are a hot team right now.

So are we.

BobZag
03-14-2009, 03:07 PM
Lunardi just put Memphis as a #1 seed.

MDABE80
03-14-2009, 03:29 PM
Good call BZ. But to our Dawgfather.....UW's seed is in far more jeopardy than GU's. 8 losses and a big one last night wold make normal people worry. Moreso if there was a down arrow next to my team's name as there is presently. GU's in fine shape as a 4. ANd it's what many of us have predicted for weeks. I 'd besurprised if it didn't hold up....well at least till the seeding committee meets up tonight and tomorrow.

brian_sun
03-14-2009, 04:06 PM
Good call BZ. But to our Dawgfather.....UW's seed is in far more jeopardy than GU's. 8 losses and a big one last night wold make normal people worry. Moreso if there was a down arrow next to my team's name as there is presently. GU's in fine shape as a 4. ANd it's what many of us have predicted for weeks. I 'd besurprised if it didn't hold up....well at least till the seeding committee meets up tonight and tomorrow.

Abe, take your frigging blinders off regarding UW! WE are in a great shape to be a 4 seed, even if ASU wins the Pac 10. We lead them 2-1 in our season match, so they can't jump us. Our computer profile is great, 13 in RPI and 17 in SOS. The 8 losses are irrelevant! GU RPI is 26 and SOS is 92! So I claim UW has a much better case for a top 4 seed than Gonzaga. We just have to agree to disagree in this case. Base on the body of work over the whole season, University of Washington does NOT have to worry about NOT being one of the top 16 teams in the country. The same can not be said about GU, mainly due to being in a 15th ranked conference, even though you did not drop any game in that conference. But having your 3rd best team Portland at 120 and the other 5 teams in the 190 - 320 RPI ranges just don't cut it. Your conference completely dragged you down this year. There is no sugar-coating it. Don't bring up we ducked GU this year, we are perfectly fine with our 17th SOS!

NEC26
03-14-2009, 04:09 PM
8 losses are irrelevant lol

ZagAddict
03-14-2009, 04:15 PM
The beverages are catching up with someone... I love discussions about irrevelant losses. I'd like whatever purple punch is being passed around in Husky land :p

dawgfather11
03-14-2009, 04:40 PM
I don't really know who this brian_sun guy is and he's fairly new here, but he is correct. There is a reason UW is ahead of GU on the s curve, compare the resumes ours is better not by much, but it is. You guy's really need to learn the s curve, will help you out with seeding. UW is in no danger of losing their 4 seed. Right now we are the best #4 seed GU is the third best 4 seed Syracuse is the 4th. Syracuse is the only team able to jump UW. Gonzaga though can be jumped by both FSU and Purdue is they both win their respective conference tournaments. I don't think that's likely but that is what it is. I expect both UW and GU to get #4 seed's but UW will be in the west and GU somewhere in the east.

MDABE80
03-14-2009, 04:41 PM
If you seriously believe what you wrote Brian, you're in sad shape.....common sense dictate 8 losses aren't "fine"...it's a big number when you're in the hunt for a high seed. Couple that to ASU losing when they just beat the huskies last night....well that can't help UW either. Furthermore, since it's the last game and UW appeared to be a bumbling group led by a lil thug......well...seriously..what's the point of furthering this. Committee will be chosing, we don't. Drink on......

But now comes Dawgfather telling us the way "it is". Well maybe in his view but "fiat lux" doesn't get it done. Look at that little down arrow next to UW's 4 seed. It's not neutral and it's not up. How does anyone know UW will "be in the West" and GU will be platooned to the East.??? I mean who knows this before the committe does or even Lunardi. This is the usual arrogance UW engenders. EVen in the face of losses, it persists. How funny.....these 1-9 sissys are. Oh and Romar didn't run.........he just "chose" another path...lol...... it just looked like he was running off in the face of repeated local defeats.......does it ever stop with these guys????

Nevtelen
03-14-2009, 04:53 PM
Abe, take your frigging blinders off regarding UW! WE are in a great shape to be a 4 seed, even if ASU wins the Pac 10. We lead them 2-1 in our season match, so they can't jump us. Our computer profile is great, 13 in RPI and 17 in SOS. The 8 losses are irrelevant! GU RPI is 26 and SOS is 92! So I claim UW has a much better case for a top 4 seed than Gonzaga. We just have to agree to disagree in this case. Base on the body of work over the whole season, University of Washington does NOT have to worry about NOT being one of the top 16 teams in the country. The same can not be said about GU, mainly due to being in a 15th ranked conference, even though you did not drop any game in that conference. But having your 3rd best team Portland at 120 and the other 5 teams in the 190 - 320 RPI ranges just don't cut it. Your conference completely dragged you down this year. There is no sugar-coating it. Don't bring up we ducked GU this year, we are perfectly fine with our 17th SOS!


8 losses irrelevant... Poor GU in the 15th ranked WCC. Oh wait - I guess only one of these two teams has lost to a WCC team. I don't think it was GU. Oh, wasn't that the ''third best team at 120" you are talking about? ;)

No doubt the WCC was a little down this year, but the committee is at least as interested if not moreso about what teams did with what they can control - GU can't control the RPI of teams in it's conference. They did what they could - they won every game. It's the same argument for Memphis getting a 1 seed.

Also, from all the reading I've done over the years about seeding, there is a lot more flexibility than most people think. When ESPN did the mock selection committee exercise last year or the year before I remember that they said that it wasn't that uncommon for teams to get moved up or down 1 seed in order to fulfill other rules such as not playing teams they have already seen in the reg season, playing close to home for protected seeds, etc.

brian_sun
03-14-2009, 05:03 PM
If you seriously believe what you wrote Brian, you're in sad shape.....common sense dictate 8 losses aren't "fine"...it's a big number when you're in the hunt for a high seed. Couple that to ASU losing when they just beat the huskies last night....well that can't help UW either. Furthermore, since it's the last game and UW appeared to be a bumbling group led by a lil thug......well...seriously..what's the point of furthering this. Committee will be chosing, we don't. Drink on......

But now comes Dawgfather telling us the way "it is". Well maybe in his view but "fiat lux" doesn't get it done. Look at that little down arrow next to UW's 4 seed. It's not neutral and it's not up. How does anyone know UW will "be in the West" and GU will be platooned to the East.??? I mean who knows this before the committe does or even Lunardi. This is the usual arrogance UW engenders. EVen in the face of losses, it persists. How funny.....these 1-9 sissys are. Oh and Romar didn't run.........he just "chose" another path...lol...... it just looked like he was running off in the face of repeated local defeats.......does it ever stop with these guys????

Abe, who's the little thug? Venoy Overton? It has been said in another thread that Overton is just like a John Stockton, will do anything to get an edge on his opponents, including getting into their heads. Opposing teams hate him, but his team mates love him. He is our defensive specialist and all he wants is just to win. He is our Dennis Rodman without all the baggage off the court. You would love to have someone with his passion on your team. Everything Dawgfather said is right. We are the highest ranked 4th seed, Syracuse, FSU and Purdue can all knock GU off to the 5th line. You are the 3rd 4th seed in the S curve, we are the best 4th seed in the S curve. The difference is not in the # of losses. The difference is in 17th in SOS vs 92nd in SOS.

dawgfather11
03-14-2009, 05:03 PM
If you seriously believe what you wrote Brian, you're in sad shape.....common sense dictate 8 losses aren't "fine"...it's a big number when you're in the hunt for a high seed. Couple that to ASU losing when they just beat the huskies last night....well that can't help UW either. Furthermore, since it's the last game and UW appeared to be a bumbling group led by a lil thug......well...seriously..what's the point of furthering this. Committee will be chosing, we don't. Drink on......

But now comes Dawgfather telling us the way "it is". Well maybe in his view but "fiat lux" doesn't get it done. Look at that little down arrow next to UW's 4 seed. It's not neutral and it's not up. How does anyone know UW will "be in the West" and GU will be platooned to the East.??? I mean who knows this before the committe does or even Lunardi. This is the usual arrogance UW engenders. EVen in the face of losses, it persists. How funny.....these 1-9 sissys are. Oh and Romar didn't run.........he just "chose" another path...lol...... it just looked like he was running off in the face of repeated local defeats.......does it ever stop with these guys????

since I apparently know nothing then abe, care to make a wager on it? :)

brian_sun
03-14-2009, 05:27 PM
I don't really know who this brian_sun guy is and he's fairly new here, but he is correct. There is a reason UW is ahead of GU on the s curve, compare the resumes ours is better not by much, but it is. You guy's really need to learn the s curve, will help you out with seeding. UW is in no danger of losing their 4 seed. Right now we are the best #4 seed GU is the third best 4 seed Syracuse is the 4th. Syracuse is the only team able to jump UW. Gonzaga though can be jumped by both FSU and Purdue is they both win their respective conference tournaments. I don't think that's likely but that is what it is. I expect both UW and GU to get #4 seed's but UW will be in the west and GU somewhere in the east.

Dawgfather, I graduated from UW in 2003, got both my bachelor and master degree there. Gonzaga is my 2nd favorite team and that's why I read this board. When UW weren't in the tourney, they are the team I would be rooting for. But this year I have to keep an eye on both teams. Would love to see a 4/5 seed match between UW and GU, but I think both are 4 seed at this point. It could change tomorrow though.

MDABE80
03-14-2009, 05:52 PM
You do know nothing......why waste money on that. And how do you figure..or someone who knows something......might figure that UW's the highest rated 4th seed? How do you know that? Is this just something you heard? Or is there some formlula? Or just something to say? YOU Dawgfather? I'm asking you.
Brian is just too soft. No offense but his posts are... well........nice and all but...somehow "lacking"

4AmericasTeam
03-14-2009, 05:57 PM
I don't really know who this brian_sun guy is and he's fairly new here, but he is correct. There is a reason UW is ahead of GU on the s curve, compare the resumes ours is better not by much, but it is. You guy's really need to learn the s curve, will help you out with seeding. UW is in no danger of losing their 4 seed. Right now we are the best #4 seed GU is the third best 4 seed Syracuse is the 4th. Syracuse is the only team able to jump UW. Gonzaga though can be jumped by both FSU and Purdue is they both win their respective conference tournaments. I don't think that's likely but that is what it is. I expect both UW and GU to get #4 seed's but UW will be in the west and GU somewhere in the east.

None of us need to learn anything from you

vaboris
03-14-2009, 06:15 PM
You do know nothing......why waste money on that. And how do you figure..or someone who knows something......might figure that UW's the highest rated 4th seed? How do you know that? Is this just something you heard? Or is there some formlula? Or just something to say? YOU Dawgfather? I'm asking you.
Brian is just too soft. No offense but his posts are... well........nice and all but...somehow "lacking"

Regardless of the 8 losses UW has - they have a better RPI and a better SOS and, yes, they are higher on the S-Curve when compared to GU. They have been hovering from a 3 to a 4 seed based on this S-Curve.

Less than 24 hours this whole thread is moot.

vaboris
03-14-2009, 06:16 PM
You do know nothing......why waste money on that. And how do you figure..or someone who knows something......might figure that UW's the highest rated 4th seed? How do you know that? Is this just something you heard? Or is there some formlula? Or just something to say? YOU Dawgfather? I'm asking you.
Brian is just too soft. No offense but his posts are... well........nice and all but...somehow "lacking"

Nice way backing out of this bet by the way man.

MDABE80
03-14-2009, 06:33 PM
I apologise to everyone. There was no bet. If you think there was a bet to "back out of"......as you say...... well then..you're an idjit.
He's tried that before. I don't bet Vab.

I'm traveling and have a bit too much time on my hands. So....disregard any areas of conflict. Sorry fellas...this isn't worth it. On to China. Hope the net works in Beijing. They promised! I hope to see selection Sunday and the games. Best wishes to all of you. Go Zags!

dpouley
03-14-2009, 07:35 PM
You do know nothing......why waste money on that. And how do you figure..or someone who knows something......might figure that UW's the highest rated 4th seed? How do you know that? Is this just something you heard? Or is there some formlula? Or just something to say? YOU Dawgfather? I'm asking you.


UW is the highest four seed according to Lunardi. If you are discounting Lunardi, and do not believe he knows what he is talking about that is fine, that is your right. However, on the S-curve, the way the NCAA committee seeds the teams, and how Lunardi is projecting things, UW is the highest 4 seed.

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/nitty

azzagfan
03-14-2009, 08:27 PM
To all the Dawg followers on this thread, let's quit pretending this argument is about who's the higher seed here this season.

Put us back on the schedule, and convince your AD and Lorenzo to quit ducking the Zags. We need another team outside the WCC that we beat 90% of the time on our schedule.:D