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former1dog
03-09-2009, 10:06 AM
An absolute embarassment. They were particularly awful in the St. Mary's v. Portland game last night.

I hope they do a better job tonight.

SageOfZagville
03-09-2009, 10:35 AM
I thought Portland got jobbed last night. Every close call went St Mary's way. It was as if the refs had a mandate to get St Mary's into the Championship. Do you think thats possible? ;)

former1dog
03-09-2009, 10:40 AM
I thought Portland got jobbed last night. Every close call went St Mary's way. It was as if the refs had a mandate to get St Mary's into the Championship. Do you think thats possible? ;)

I wouldn't agree with your statement.

I just thought it was overall awful. In my opinion, it was borderline dangerous as a lot of rough play was allowed.

zag944
03-09-2009, 10:48 AM
it is an embaressment. I wont say it was unfair because it was equally bad, but its still just awful.

Coaches are frequently fired in this industry when they cant live up to expectations that are often unrealistic. Student athletes are called out on ESPN when they underperform. Yet, somehow, the referees, as much a part of the product we consume as anyone, are never held accountable for their frequent incompetence. I know its a hard job and all, but Id like some reassurance that the NCAA is striving to improve its output.

EngineerZag
03-09-2009, 10:55 AM
WCC refs call more flops than any conference I've ever seen.

They also are the quickest to call a jump ball of anyone I've ever seen.

Once in a while I will turn to my wife and say, "Wow, that game was well officiated!" Much more often than not, though, it's terrible.

MedZag
03-09-2009, 10:57 AM
In the Gaels-Pilots game, they were allowed a bar fight underneath the hoop on defense and for boards, then were calling ticky tack fouls up top and some questionable offensive charging calls. It was really a head scratcher.

bballbeachbum
03-09-2009, 11:04 AM
umm, unfortunately I have to agree. Watched SMU/PU...I recall feeling embarrassment at different times, too, for the league on national tv...won't go into it. Being a ref is tough, but I'm not apologizing for them at all.

Any refs on this board? Love to hear your comments; certainly do respect how tough your job is, how important it is.

Here's hoping tonight they have a great game.

UberZagFan
03-09-2009, 11:05 AM
Pitiful, all the around. It's not just "WCC" refs though...these guys ref in other conferences out west and do just as bad there as well.

lothar98zag
03-09-2009, 11:16 AM
An absolute embarassment. They were particularly awful in the St. Mary's v. Portland game last night.

I hope they do a better job tonight.
might see Libby tonight...

former1dog
03-09-2009, 11:24 AM
might see Libby tonight...

Fortunately (IMNSHO), the game won't be close enough for there to be an opportunity to grandstand on national television. :D

lothar98zag
03-09-2009, 11:26 AM
Fortunately (IMNSHO), the game won't be close enough for the grandstanding on national television to affect the outcome. :D
fixed?

:pray:

kitzbuel
03-09-2009, 11:55 AM
I found officiating to be very schizophrenic this year. You never knew what was or wasn't going to be allowed until about 25 minutes into the game. If there was a point of emphasis from the NCAA, it was hard to detect. I remember one game where that little extra step on the drive or pass was being relentlessly called, then the next game it was time to pack your bags. Blocking/charge calls have been very irregular, even within games.

They minimum you would hope for is consistency so the players know the limits, but it seemed like the refs wanted to keep players and coaches off balance.

DADoZAG
03-09-2009, 12:15 PM
The refs are the single biggest thing holding the WCC back. imho.

The league now has some big time $, spend it on some better stripes.

Whistleblower
03-09-2009, 01:59 PM
Worst possible scenario is if the officiating determines the outcome tonight. Judging from the two semi-final games, that is a very real possibility. Officiating is tough at any level. But, with all of the hand-checking and wrist slapping that Randy Bennet's teams do, it is hard to beleive that the Pilots only had 8 free throw attempts while the Gaels had 30. St. Mary's won that game at the free throw line because they were given the opportunity. That just doesn't bode well for a decently called championship game tonight.

Robzagnut
03-09-2009, 03:16 PM
Worst possible scenario is if the officiating determines the outcome tonight. Judging from the two semi-final games, that is a very real possibility. Officiating is tough at any level. But, with all of the hand-checking and wrist slapping that Randy Bennet's teams do, it is hard to beleive that the Pilots only had 8 free throw attempts while the Gaels had 30. St. Mary's won that game at the free throw line because they were given the opportunity. That just doesn't bode well for a decently called championship game tonight.

I'm a GU fan who watched the whole Pilot / Gaels game last night. Looked okay to me. They called it well on both sides. The reason St Mary's got 30 FT attempts was they were pounding the ball inside and driving to the basket. Portland was settling for jump shots. There were a few questionable calls, but no stand up and shout bad calls. Plus, St Mary's got 8-10 FTs at the end of the game due to Portland trying to foul to catch up.

Birddog
03-09-2009, 03:20 PM
In my small circle of basketball knowledgeable friends,it's pretty universally agreed that the reffing is bad all over the country.

kclubfounder
03-09-2009, 03:32 PM
Try officiating basketball for 5th graders one time. Volunteer as an umpire for T-Ballers in 3rd grade once.

If you do it once then you will have a different perspective. The job is ridiculously hard.

If you have a bias then you can't properly judge the officiating. Watch a game that you truly do not care about, and you will rarely think the officiating was 'terrible'. Of course there will be individual bad calls. But they normally average out - with the home team having a slight advantage on occasion.

But I digress. Try officiating once - somewhere, somehow - it will change your perspective. It certainly changed my perspective.

gamagin
03-09-2009, 03:38 PM
In my small circle of basketball knowledgeable friends,it's pretty universally agreed that the reffing is bad all over the country.

A cop friend of mine said the most dangerous kind of call to make is at a family fight. Basically, the members turn on the cop(s) and violence is common.

That's what ref's try to stand between -- two family fights -- battling over the same turf.

The best that I think a ref can hope for is to have no one, on either side, remember who was reffing.

I hope that is the case tonight.

GO TEAM ZAGS !