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Zag4Hire
02-14-2009, 07:52 PM
With the latest downfall with UCLA (hehehe), where do the Zags stack up against other teams out west? Latest Cinderella fascination Utah State tripped up against Boise State. I would say it would have to be between UW and GU. I am really not that fascinated with UCLA even before this latest drop--if Bayless stayed at Zona, they would dominate the Pac-10. Obviously I am biased but I would if every team had there best showing, GU would be #1 in the west.

mgadfly
02-14-2009, 08:19 PM
I'm a big believer in the efficiency stats (which don't reflect today's games):

1. UCLA #6 overall (#3 offense, #33 defense)
2. Gonzaga #9 overall (#17 offense, #15 defense)
3. Arizona St. #11 overall (#6 offense, #28 defense)
4. Washington #16 overall (#23 offense, #21 defense)
5. BYU #19 overall (#16 offense, #36 defense)

Most likely team to be alive in the Sweet 16: GU (defense usually doesn't take a night off and they have the best chance of winning despite a poor shooting game).

As for Utah St., they have played two good teams all year long (BYU and Utah), one on their home court and one at a neutral site. They are 1-1. They don't generate enough turnovers from the opposition and aren't a great defensive team when it comes to opposing FG%. They do rebound well and have a good offense, so they are a team with the potential to make a run due to hot shooting, but they aren't good enough defensively to make a deep run.

Zag4Hire
02-14-2009, 09:07 PM
Too eager and too quick to put Zona in the top 5 of the west? I don't know, they are very dangerous at home. I would be happy if they finish strong and get to the Pac-10 tourney championship game. It could only help if Zona is in tourney talk let alone in and seeding talk.

RenoZag
02-14-2009, 09:08 PM
If every team had their best showing, it's a toss up.

Zag4Hire
02-14-2009, 09:15 PM
If every team had their best showing, it's a toss up.

Sorry I guess that doesn't help much. I just really feel like this is the Tale of Two Cities team: best of times, worst of times. They could beat anybody or lose to anybody? Whoops is that every team too? I am lost. I am just hoping they do well in the tourney by playing hard and believing in themselves.

RenoZag
02-14-2009, 09:20 PM
I just have a hard time with: If the Zags play their best versus the best of some of the teams you mentioned, the Zags come out with the "W" in all cases.

I love the Bulldogs but their best isn't tough enough to knock off some of the best teams west of the Rockies.

But that's the fun of this board and sports talk in general; you can usually find a lively well-informed debate amongst sports fans.

vaboris
02-15-2009, 12:24 AM
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"1. UCLA #6 overall (#3 offense, #33 defense)
2. Gonzaga #9 overall (#17 offense, #15 defense)
3. Arizona St. #11 overall (#6 offense, #28 defense)
4. Washington #16 overall (#23 offense, #21 defense)
5. BYU #19 overall (#16 offense, #36 defense)

Most likely team to be alive in the Sweet 16: GU (defense usually doesn't take a night off and they have the best chance of winning despite a poor shooting game)."[QUOTE]

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Andy Katz? Is that you???

Zag4Hire
02-15-2009, 05:29 AM
Found this on NCAA Sports Website while looking at some stats:

http://www.ncaa.com/blog/mensmock/2009/02/



Boston

1. UConn (Philly)
2. Duke (Philly)
3. Marquette (Miami)
4. Butler (Boise)
5. Missouri (Boise)
6. Purdue (Miami)
7. Gonzaga (Philly)
8. Minnesota (Philly)
9. BYU (Philly)
10 LSU (Philly)
11. USC (Miami)
12. Virginia Tech (Boise)
13. American (Boise)
14. Cornell (Miami)
15. Old Dominion (Philly)
16. UNC Asheville (Philly)


I wouldn't mind a first round matchup with LSU but to get the 7 slot and travel all the way to the East Coast? Not down with that or getting the #2 seed in the 2nd, supposing we would get past LSU. Right now, I would be happy with the 6th seed or higher initially (and preferably closer to Spokane) but like everybody else on the board believes, who cares how you are seeded, just show up and win some games.

Zag4Hire
02-15-2009, 05:55 AM
Not including the stats from the USF game which will obviously bring it down a bit, here is where GU stands:

Gonzaga (18-5)
Men's Basketball National Ranking Summary
Thru Games 02/12/2009

Category Rank Actual
Scoring Offense (330 ranked) 40 77.1
Scoring Defense (330 ranked) 61 63.0
Scoring Margin (330 ranked) 9 14.2
Field-Goal Percentage (330 ranked) 32 47.3
Field-Goal Percentage Defense (330 ranked) 1 37.0
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game (330 ranked) 92 7.0
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (330 ranked) 37 38.0
Three Pt FG Defense (330 ranked) 140 33.4
Free-Throw Percentage (330 ranked) 109 70.6
Rebound Margin (330 ranked) 106 2.5
Assists Per Game (330 ranked) 69 14.8
Assist Turnover Ratio (330 ranked) 22 1.25
Blocked Shots Per Game (330 ranked) 22 5.2
Steals Per Game (330 ranked) 129 7.1
Turnovers Per Game (330 ranked) 21 11.8
Turnover Margin (330 ranked) 32 3.3
Personal Fouls Per Game (330 ranked) 62 16.8

A few observations: I could have never imagined a GU team sitting on top of the FG% defense category. That is great to see. I am surpristed at our Assist-to-Turnover ratio, I thought GU would be much lower but that is a pleasant surprise. A few glaring stats that don't bode well: FT%, 3pt FG% defense, and Rebound Margin. Those are awful lines for a team heading into the tournament. I don't care how good your team is, if you can't rebound, guard against the 3, or hit your free throws, it doesn't matter what seed you are or where you are playing, you are going to get run out of the gym in a hurry.