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MississppiZag
08-10-2008, 07:58 AM
Rivals-

"Leading the way for Canada with a 16 points was Ashton Khan. The most impressive prospect on the Canadian team, however, is Gonzaga commitment Mangisto Arop. The active and slashing wing player went for nine points on 4-15 shooting, grabbed a team high nine rebounds and had two steals and four assists to three turnovers."

MZ- This kid keeps making me excited about the '09 season. Pretty nice when you play a bad game going 4-15 from the field, and still come a way as the "most impressive prospect". Go Manny

NEZAGFAN
08-10-2008, 08:34 AM
On a side note, Manny also had 10 points and 7 boards against Lithuania on Friday. Sorry if this was posted earlier.

ZagNative
08-10-2008, 08:38 AM
Link to the Jerry Meyer Rivals story posted above, from the Nike Global Challenge event in Portland this weekend is here (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=836067). I think it's free.

Here's an OregonLive.com story (http://blog.oregonlive.com/highschool/2008/08/game_2_canada_vs_lithuania.html) posted August 8, Canada v. Lithuania. No mention of Manny, but he's in the box score with ten points. (I wonder if the player in red in the story is #8, Mangisto Arop. Looks like it to me. I like the pic.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/ZagNative/Zags/Recruits/2009%20Recruits/Manny%20Arop/2008-08-08MannyattheNikeGlobalChall.jpg

BobZag
08-10-2008, 09:06 AM
Doesn't look tall enough or long enough to be Mangisto. Could be Ty Nurse.

Mangisto will have to work on his shooting %. Taking high percentage shots is very important in any offensive system. For Arop [pron: Rop], he should be shooting slightly over 50%.

Love the rebounding!

theothegreat21
08-10-2008, 09:20 AM
Manny will make an immediate impact in 09 because of his great defensive aand great rebounding abilities. I think he will be able to score occasionally on the fast break and on the drive, but his outside shooting is not yet consistent enough to be as dominant offensively as he will be a couple of years down the road

ZagNative
08-10-2008, 09:39 AM
Maybe just an off day shooting for manny? 2-pt shooting average over the five games in Formosa was 52.8% (http://www.fibaamericas.com/torneos_roster_us.asp?t=FPVIWCZCXY&team=257&n=Canada&c=CAN).

BobZag
08-10-2008, 10:06 AM
Maybe just an off day shooting for manny? 2-pt shooting average over the five games in Formosa was 52.8% (http://www.fibaamericas.com/torneos_roster_us.asp?t=FPVIWCZCXY&team=257&n=Canada&c=CAN).

That's not bad. Get out the calculator and see what his % was in Germany last March--

http://www.ast-basketball.de/index.php?id=112

duper
08-10-2008, 11:49 AM
I don't know anything about manny except what I have read here and other internet sources but he sounds like he could be an Errol Knight type player. We could have used Knight last year in the tournament to D-up on Curry.

ZagNative
08-10-2008, 11:57 AM
That's not bad. Get out the calculator and see what his % was in Germany last March--

http://www.ast-basketball.de/index.php?id=112
This is what it looked like to me.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/ZagNative/Zags/Recruits/Mangisto%20Arop/MannySchweitzer.jpg

It's a German site, so I hope I got it right, but my patience and persistence only goes so far ...

If you throw out that one horrible 1/12 game he had v. Turkey, his fg% would have been 58%. Can't imagine what happened at that game.

BobZag
08-10-2008, 04:13 PM
This is what it looked like to me.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/ZagNative/Zags/Recruits/Mangisto%20Arop/MannySchweitzer.jpg

It's a German site, so I hope I got it right, but my patience and persistence only goes so far ...

If you throw out that one horrible 1/12 game he had v. Turkey, his fg% would have been 58%. Can't imagine what happened at that game.

Thanks, ZN. Toss out his best game and his worst game, ala Figure Skating scores, and Mangisto shot a very nice %.

Bottom line: Arop is a good one who will only get better.

ZagNative
08-10-2008, 05:17 PM
Yup. I think I could manage to choke back my tears of disappointment if Manny shot under 50% like he did in that game against Argentina, if it meant he came away with 30 points and 17 rebounds, to get the W. (Table below adds column for score/W-L.)

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/ZagNative/Zags/Recruits/2009%20Recruits/Manny%20Arop/MannySchweitzer-1.jpg

Final Standings at the tournament:

1. Greece
2. Turkey
3. Australia
4. USA
5. Canada
6. Argentina
7. Spain
8. Sweden
9. Germany
10. Croatia
11. France
12. Italy
13. Russia
14. New Zealand
15. Israel
16. Netherlands

Wonder why that Italian team beat the Canadians ...

theothegreat21
08-10-2008, 05:20 PM
I don't know anything about manny except what I have read here and other internet sources but he sounds like he could be an Errol Knight type player. We could have used Knight last year in the tournament to D-up on Curry.

There are some similarities, but Manny is a much better offensive player then Errol ever was. Also, Manny lacks the strength that Errol had which allowed him to use his strength to dominate defensively, Manny uses his length and quickness to dominate defensively

ZagNative
08-10-2008, 05:30 PM
Perhaps apropos of nothing (except maybe long arms), I like this pic of Manny from a June 2007 story on Hooplife.ca (http://www.hooplife.ca/viewArticle.php?id=262).

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/ZagNative/Zags/Recruits/Mangisto%20Arop/2007-06-02MannyAropCanadalaunchesNE.jpg

OZZag
08-10-2008, 07:39 PM
Doesn't look tall enough or long enough to be Mangisto. Could be Ty Nurse.

Mangisto will have to work on his shooting %. Taking high percentage shots is very important in any offensive system. For Arop [pron: Rop], he should be shooting slightly over 50%.

Love the rebounding!

BZ,

Most likely Corey Joseph or Ashton Khan.

They beat Serbia by 15 tonight ended up in third place, Manny had 14 points and went 3/3 from downtown. 6 turnovers a bit of a concern. he hasn't really played with any of these players before.

Corey did not try out for the Canadian Junior squad. Alwayne Bigby is another player who could have tried out for the Junior Nats, he is having a big tournament and is the main reason why Kelly Olynyk is not getting any PT.

It is interesting to note that Manny is the only NEDA player playing (Mike Allison did not play 2nd and 3rd games) there and the likes of Tristan Thompson and Gagliargdi are not. Note all except two players from Ontario.

Head Coach is Roy Rana who is well respected.

duper
08-10-2008, 08:15 PM
Errol Knight was a 20 point scorer his SR year and over 7 a game as a Pac-10 freshmen. He didn't end up being a big scoring machine for the Zags but I remember many high school coaches thinking Adam would redshirt as a freshmen because there was no way he would play much with Knight ahead of him.

To put how good Manny might be in perspective the U.S. team is loaded with 4 star players and even a five star. They are represented by future UNLV, UCLA, Cinncinati, Kansas, Kansas ST, Florida and Arizona. Not bad numbers against top level competition for his age. Can't wait to see him suit up.

theothegreat21
08-11-2008, 08:19 AM
http://florida.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=836325

Gonzaga commitment Mangisto Arop scored 14 points on 4-9 shooting, including a perfect 3-3 from the arc and 3-4 from the line. An extremely active player, Arop also pulled down eight rebounds, had three steals, one assist and six turnovers.

CDC84
08-11-2008, 08:57 AM
As we have documented before, one of the elements of Manny's game that he needs to work on are his handles. I think some of the turnover numbers are a reflection of this.

The Zags are lucky to have gotten a verbal from Arop when they did. If he were still available (well, he technically still is), the Zags would be fighting off a ton of high major schools right now in their effort to land him.

BobZag
08-11-2008, 09:00 AM
BobZag: Would Mangisto Arop be top-100 in America?

Jerry Meyer: Yes-top 100. Good player, great pick up

theothegreat21
08-11-2008, 09:02 AM
As we have documented before, one of the elements of Manny's game that he needs to work on are his handles. I think some of the turnover numbers are a reflection of this.

The Zags are lucky to have gotten a verbal from Arop when they did. If he were still available (well, he technically still is), the Zags would be fighting off a ton of high major schools right now in their effort to land him.

It is Manny's ball-handling that leads to nearly everyone of his turnovers. He is very loose with the dribble and also lets the ball get very high when he dribbles, which leads to him having less control of the ball.

I firmly believe that if Manny were playing in the USA he would be a top 75 or even top 50 recruits. His athleticism and length make him a truly special player....great job by the staff finding another gem early on in the recruiting period

thespywhozaggedme
08-11-2008, 01:02 PM
BZ,

Most likely Corey Joseph or Ashton Khan.

They beat Serbia by 15 tonight ended up in third place, Manny had 14 points and went 3/3 from downtown. 6 turnovers a bit of a concern. he hasn't really played with any of these players before.

Corey did not try out for the Canadian Junior squad. Alwayne Bigby is another player who could have tried out for the Junior Nats, he is having a big tournament and is the main reason why Kelly Olynyk is not getting any PT.

It is interesting to note that Manny is the only NEDA player playing (Mike Allison did not play 2nd and 3rd games) there and the likes of Tristan Thompson and Gagliargdi are not. Note all except two players from Ontario.

Head Coach is Roy Rana who is well respected.

I believe both Corey and Nurse are bi-racial, much lighter complected. Probably Chaka ...er Ashton Khan. :D

JohnOGU
08-11-2008, 02:35 PM
My God, Manny is LONG. Look at those arms...

ZagNative
08-11-2008, 03:31 PM
My God, Manny is LONG. Look at those arms...And that photo was taken over a year ago ... in June of 2007.