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Unbiased
03-04-2008, 06:34 PM
Larry, you are one of the most athletic players in the WCC.

Don't give up!

When this basketball season is over, start shooting two hundred jumpers every day from everywhere.

When they start going down consistently and with your quickness to the basket, the sky is the limit for you. You will be a starter for the next two years.

azzagfan
03-04-2008, 06:37 PM
I think 200 would be on the very low end of what many of the great shooters shoot per day in the off season. I know Mike Bibby shot up between 500 and 1,000 jump shots per day during the off season while at Arizona.

CaliforniaZaggin'
03-04-2008, 06:52 PM
Agreed. LG has tremendous potential, and I truly believe he'll thrive once he gets consistent minutes. It's hard to be productive in 3-4 minutes/game, which is the extent of the action he sees now, because its hard to get into the flow of the game. But when his day finally comes, I expect he'll flourish. Keep the faith!

BC1210is
03-04-2008, 07:06 PM
Larry, you are one of the most athletic players in the WCC.

You will be a starter for the next two years.

How do you expect him to start next year?
Pargo
Gray
Bouldin
Daye/Downs
Heytvelt

Maybe some more PT but starting?

Unbiased
03-04-2008, 07:19 PM
How do you expect him to start next year?

Maybe some more PT but starting?

Let me ask you a question. Considering their compete skill set, If LG could shoot the jumper as good or better than Gray or Bouldin do you think LG would be sitting on the bench?

By the way I really like Gray and Bouldin and have watched Gray throughout high school.

BroncoZAG615
03-04-2008, 07:40 PM
For LG to overtake Matt or Steven is rather far fetched at this point of his tenure. He would either need to be as effective inside out player as Matt or as lights out of a shooter as Steven. Players tend to settle into their roles and LG is more than likely going to be a defensive specialist and a spark off the bench.

Judging by the way he has progressed since coming to GU he will be able to provide quality minutes but I don't expect him to really sniff the starting lineup in the next two years. I have little doubt that next years starting lineup of Pargo, Matt, Steven, Austin, and Josh will be it next year, maybe with Micah for Steven from time to time.

Yes, if Larry shot better than Steven and Matt he would be seeing MUCH more time, but how much can you really expect from him. Steven is one of the best set shooters we have seen and Matt is our leading scorer...kind of hard guys to overtake.

BC1210is
03-04-2008, 07:43 PM
True, LG is very athletic, more so than Gray and Bouldin. I think he is a great player and thought he would provide a bigger contribution this year. However, it is pretty tough to develop a jumper over the course of a summer (and you expect him to become a better shooter than Gray and Bouldin in that time?). Lets just hope he works on it over the summer and is able to be a big spark off the bench next year.

UberZagFan
03-04-2008, 08:05 PM
The probability of LG starting for GU is slim, especially considering his role to this point. And while Uber loves his style of play, he still makes mistakes at a high rate on the court--some of it may be nerves, some of it may be rust, and some of it just may be limitations in his game.

Hopefully he can learn to limit those mistakes to the point where the staff can utilize him in a role similar to that filled by EK. That is the best we can hope for.

BoZarth
03-04-2008, 08:21 PM
Best offensive rebounder on the team.

spudzag
03-04-2008, 08:41 PM
How do you expect him to start next year?
Pargo
Gray
Bouldin
Daye/Downs
Heytvelt

Maybe some more PT but starting?

I envision a slightly different starting line up more like this;

Pargo
Bouldin
Gray/Downs
Heytvlelt
Sacre

But my point is, LG remains the 5th guard in next year's campaign, just like this year. It is going to be tough for LG to start before his senior year when Pargo and Downs graduate. Remember Goodson and Gibbs arrive next year and on his tail vying for playing time.

ZagMania
03-04-2008, 08:56 PM
Best offensive rebounder on the team.

Agreed. Its unreal how many rebounds he comes up with in his limited amount of time out there. I really liked the way Few substituted against Santa Clara, I hope to see LG some come tournament time. Make sure everybody on the court is giving it all or rotate another player in.

GonzagasaurusFlex
03-04-2008, 09:01 PM
Ummmmm, don't forget about Ira Brown....methinks he will see meaningful pt next year.

zagsfanforlife
03-04-2008, 09:07 PM
I envision a slightly different starting line up more like this;

Pargo
Bouldin
Gray/Downs
Heytvlelt
Sacre

But my point is, LG remains the 5th guard in next year's campaign, just like this year. It is going to be tough for LG to start before his senior year when Pargo and Downs graduate. Remember Goodson and Gibbs arrive next year and on his tail vying for playing time.


Do you really believe a player they are predicting as a top ten pick if he were to come out this year will not start next year assuming he comes back???? NO way Daye does not start next year. Im not buying it

zag67
03-04-2008, 10:01 PM
I agree with Zagsfanforlife. I think that you will see:
Pargo - If he returns
Bouldin
Gray/Downs
Daye
Heytvelt

Now the coaches nightmare (baring no injuries). My quess would be something like, you will see Gray or Downs being the 6th, Sacre giving Daye and Josh a spell, Ira coming in for the energy, LG the defensive stopper, with Goodsen spelling Pargo and Bouldin.

The key is we can play big, fast, offense, or defense. Depending on the team they play, they can use a different set of players.

JohnOGU
03-04-2008, 10:05 PM
I agree. If LG gets his shot, he will be dominant. I wouldnt sweat that three pointer the other night, simply because it was the first one hes taken in ages in an actual game. He's as quick, probably even quicker than bouldin, he's no pargo but he's one of the better ball handlers on our team, and he's probably one of the smartest players on the court that we have. LG has massive potential.

MDABE80
03-04-2008, 10:45 PM
If LG would do whatever it takes to get some long distance or even 10 to 15 footers to drop more than 50%, you BET he'd see plenty of time. He's a lockdown defender (might be our only one). He just needs some consistent offense. Who wouldn't play this kid as a frontliner if his offense was a serious threat? I would.

jim77
03-05-2008, 12:06 AM
Its not about who starts anymore, its about PT. The announcer last night hit the nail on the head. He said that GU could put a lineup on the court for ANY situation...I agree with that. It would be nice if LG could improve his jumpshot but, the guy can cover folks who most on the team can't cover. Its about roles and playing you're role...fact is GU has a heck of a lot of talent. I don't know if he'll ever be a 40 minute guy...I don't know if we even need a 40 minute guy anymore. What we need are guys who go out and give 110%...LG is one of those guys.

The dance is quickly approaching and we are gonna run into some pretty athletic folks....its nice to have a glue guy like LG. Having the right guy at the right time may be the difference between a deep run or an early trip home. LG has a valuable role to play.


Remember the UCONN game???? You know...the biggest win on our resume. Josh was hurt and we were in trouble cause Uconn has some big physical dudes. A young Robert Sacre stepped up HUGE to help neutalize their bigmen...we would not have won that game without him IMO. Its about playing you're role....some games more minutes some less but, always contributing to the win. Its what team is all about. I'd rather get low minutes playing for a national championship caliber team than start for some scrub team....especially with a top notch education thrown in with the deal.

Zag365
03-05-2008, 10:26 AM
Can we at least finish this season before we start speculating/opining on next year's starting line-up, PT, etc.? As we know, things can happen (injuries, transfers, encounters with the EWU police) to change the available line-up. Also, some players progress significantly over the Summer and others don't. Or, roles change due to opponent, chemistry, and so forth. Let 2008 be 2008. Luckily we have a deep team coming back. Let's talk about who should start next season when we get to November.

chirguy
03-05-2008, 11:50 AM
I know for his own personal development he needs to develop a jumper. Howver he has been a freak the last several games. His production per minute are sensational. He is very much like Erroll.

zag69
03-05-2008, 09:01 PM
It's interesting to think of getting more playing time for LG.

Considering Coach Keating's lament that he has only one ball-handler (Brody), we seem to have whole handsful of ball handlers. That's depth, man.

Ziggy
03-05-2008, 09:22 PM
I see Larry G as a fusion of Errol K and David P; a lotta bit of each of their games. Defensively LG is the operative definition of Glue!

ebayzagfan
03-05-2008, 09:56 PM
I find this discussion about LG somewhat mystifying. I would say there is a much greater chance of Larry transferring than getting much playing time next year at GU. I was singing his praises consistently earlier in the season and got a lot of feedback saying he wasn't a good practice player and that the coaching staff is emphasizing offensive firepower over a defensive specialist. The consensus then was he hadn't earned his minutes.

I really like LG and think he should have much more PT than he's gotten so far. But he didn't get those minutes this year and I don't see it happening next year.

Also, Ira Brown has huge upside not to figure heavily in the Zags future coming off the bench early.

Zagineer
03-05-2008, 10:02 PM
So much talent. What a problem for Mark Few and Company to have.

(But it sure beats the alternative.)

gamagin
03-06-2008, 08:06 AM
<<I find this discussion about LG somewhat mystifying. I would say there is a much greater chance of Larry transferring than getting much playing time next year at GU. >>

I disagree. I think LG and Brown and all the others coming in and on the team will have more opportunity than ever to increase minutes. Two fifths of the starting lineup is open.

I liken LG & AB to Kuso, in the sense that the raw talent & toughness are already there.

But its up to them to become, like Kuso, did, more consistent, reliable and effective as part of the whole team and the bigger picture.

When I saw LG and Ira working underneath during games, they looked like wasps and leaped like gazelles. They also looked somehwhat out of control. My guess is that is why we didn't see more of them.

fwiw, I don't think the arguments (right here on GUB) that these athletes, and others, need more p.t. in order to reach those plateaus, will hold water.

The system is set by Few, so it seems like if they can't impress the coaches and everyone else in practice, by beating out another player on the Zags for p.t., they aren't going to get more p.t.

Wishing otherwise, imo, makes fine grist for the mill, but we are not the millers.

tyra
03-06-2008, 09:42 AM
If we land Jeff Taylor (and no one else leaves for whatever reason), SOMEONE will be shown the door. I don't even want to talk about it now, however.